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Baz Bus & Garden Route

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14 years ago, September 4th 2009 No: 1 Msg: #85209  
Hi there,

I've just returned from a 7 week trip to Africa and now decided I'm not done. So heading back next year and thinking about doing the Garden Route as part of my iteniary.

Saw lots of advertising for Baz Bus while I was there and just wondering how many people have used it? I know my travel agent can't book from home and she's saying that can only book locally or on the website - is it fine to book it locally? Did you find it was flexible yet reliable, were the drivers helpful or did they just get you there and leave you to figure everything out by yourself? Do they have a few reliable hostels that they use regularly and they can recommend? What are the facilities like in these hotels (can you get a private bathroom etc)

There are two routes from Jo'Burg to Cape Town either via Swaziland or Lesotho - which of these is better? How long did you give yourself to go down? What towns did you spend the most time in? I'm doing the garden route in between some tours but I haven't booked my tours yet so could have a play around with dates and probably afford 3 weeks in total on the route - should i take all 3 weeks? Does anyone have any other ideas for travelling the garden route? I will be travelling by myself and won't have had my drivers license for long enough to be able to hire a car (plus I can't think of anything worse than driving myself all day long). I like the idea of Baz Bus because unlike a guided tour you can stay in each town as long as you like as long as you don't exceed your total ticket time. Is this realistic?
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14 years ago, September 4th 2009 No: 2 Msg: #85231  
D Posts: 38
Krystie
Glad to hear you enjoyed Africa, maybe as much as we do staying here?

Baz normally drop you at the front door of a hostel, hotel or lodge that they have an arrangement with. Their drivers tend to be very helpful but that depend on their time. If they run late, they may want to make up for lost time by just dropping you off and goodbye.

I could not understand your ref to Baz via Lesotho, as it is not quite on the way. So I phoned them, (Baz, like me, is based in Cape Town) to get from them confirmation on their route. This is what I can tell you:

Stage 1 - Johannesburg to Durban: You are correct, the use two routes. One directly to Durban, and they call it the Drakensberg route (which may be the cause of the Lesotho confusion?) The second route is from Johannesburg towards Mozambique. From Malelane (near Mozambique) they travel south through Swaziland where you have to catch another bus that will take you to Durban along the KZN north coast. The second route adds at least one day to your travel time but the advantages include a more scenic route, and off course the time in Swaziland, one of my favourite destinations in Southern Africa. I will add another day in Swaziland if time permits.

Stage2 - Durban to East London and Port Elizabeth. Rural South Africa in the true sense of the word.

Stage 3 - Port Elizabeth to Cape Town, via the Garden Route. The pretty part of the trip. How much time you spend here is up to your bus ticket. Enjoy.

I understand from Baz that their tickets can be valid for up to 21 days, which may be adequate for the trip.

There are also bus services that run Jhb-Cpt direct at much less than the Baz price, but you do that once you have aged past a sence of adventure, or maybe on your return trip.

Back to the facilities available at the drop off points. During my telephone conversation with them, they gave me names of the establishments. I will get the complete list from them and post the names here, or maybe by PM to you, so you can check them out on the internet.

Enjoy the trip and feel free to ask for more info if you need.

Faure
Cape Town
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14 years ago, September 4th 2009 No: 3 Msg: #85264  
Faurec; thank you that is wonderful- exactly what I needed! So what places do you recommend staying in for a little while? I have some mates who are originally from port Elizabeth and that looks beautiful so I'm thinking a few days there and then likewise have a friend who is from Durban and recommended that. Obviously want to give myself a few days in cape town before my tour starts as they don't take you through cape town either.

I def want to do the most scenic route and take my time on the garden route because I won't be going back up at all-- my tour goes cape town to vic falls via Namibia and then have a friend touring my through zim and then somehow get to joburg via a stint in Kruger.

Faurec, I also met someone who had been working in cape town and he mentioned visiting some game parks out Durban way that are a little less unknown. Do you know anything about this? Is there any particulary good game parks on my route or am I just better off waiting for Kruger, Namibia, Botswana and zimbawbe? Reply to this

14 years ago, September 4th 2009 No: 4 Msg: #85269  
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Krystie
First question, how much time do you have, or is that not a problem? The diversity all along the route you will follow is such that you can get lost in time, maybe even grow old, and still never get bored.

Allow me to think about how I would spend my time, and I will pass that to you as a suggestion, and you can plan your thing.

Next question, when do you plan your trip. The season at the time may just change some of my suggestions.

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14 years ago, September 4th 2009 No: 5 Msg: #85290  
B Posts: 20
Hi!

Me and a friend just came back from our trip in Southern Africa.

Did the BazBus from Port Elizabeth to Cape Town. It's extremely convenient! We had a rather tight time frame, two weeks, so didn't stop to long in each town.

PE has a nice waterfront and if you get the oportunity visit a township there. It's a humbling experience.

Swellendam is very picturesque, cuddled by mountains!

Knysna is nice as well, go canoeing! =)

The hostels that the BazBus cooperates with are in general very good.
If you want more detalis just have a peek at my entires.


About the game parks... Only been to Kruger and Chobe in Bots but I liked Chobe far more! Although we saw leopard and rhinos in Kruger, it involve hours and hours of driving where you don't see much else then the odd bird, while Chobe is teaming with animals such as elephants and different anthelopes. We saw lions in both parks. So it depends on what you expect from the visit to the park I guess. =)

When we were in Nelspruit (where we went to Kruger from) we took local transportation to go to Swaziland for a few days. This works just as well, allthough you don't quite know when you will be leaving. The bus leaves when it is full!! If you want the cheaper option - this is defenitely the one to aim for! I think the BazBus was four times as expensive...

A lot of local white people warn you about these busses, and say that they are dangerous, but what are the odds of you ending up on a bus filled with evil thieves? Personally we found people very friendly and helpfull no matter what the transportation.

Hope this helped a bit now. =)

Theres
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14 years ago, September 5th 2009 No: 6 Msg: #85314  
faurec - I'm planning my trip for about 1st or 2nd week of september next year... I'll be travelling by myself for this section so it would have to all be things that are safe/suitable for a young (will be 20) female traveller.

I'll be getting a 3 week ticket and I could probably give myself the 3 week timeframe. It really does depend though on how the dates on my tours match up and unfortunately the dates for that time of year haven't been released yet. I would definitely prefer to go via Swaziland, but Faurec, am I correct in saying that you never cross the border into Mozambique? I went on Mozambique on this last trip and found the border crossings extremely annoying and to be honest, it wasn't worth all the trouble; especially for only short trip.

Theres, thanks very much for all the info! I will eventually get around to reading your blogs - they'll help a lot I'm sure. Baz Bus still sounds like my best option - I do have a bit of time and I want to do it the right way - money is limited but not so limited that I'd do local transportation and possibly have to sit and wait several days in a place I don't like and then be forced to speed through somewhere I do. I liked the sound of Baz Bus because if I reached a place and discovered I hated it; no problem - I can get back on the bus the next morning and get out of there, likewise, if there's a place that I LOVE and I have time - I can stay there a bit longer.

About the game parks - I visited both Chobe and Kruger on this previous trip and already doing these again. I share your love of Chobe - it's probably the closest thing to an East African game park (by far much better), however, I find that if I do nothing but game drives for say 2 weeks full on I get 'safari fatigue' but if i do the occasional drive here and there in a new park I stay a bit more enthustiastic ----> if there's something on the way I wouldn't mind doing a game drive or two just to break up my activities a bit but with that said - I've seen enough game that a park with nothing but giraffe and zebra isn't going to satisfy me at all.

Thanks very much for your help both of you and if you have any more input; please - I'd love to hear it :D
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14 years ago, September 6th 2009 No: 7 Msg: #85400  
Oh one more question faurec;

how much of where I'm going would you say is 'unsafe'. Obviously no matter where you are in the world you never do stupid things like go out at night on your own, and I would always keep large sums of money and my passport in my money belt and just be aware of my camera etc, but is there anywhere that the danger is beyond those small common sense things?

Ta
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14 years ago, September 6th 2009 No: 8 Msg: #85401  
D Posts: 38
Hi Krystie

I am in the process of putting together some detail for you, and thanks for the reminder to include the safety thing.

Fortunately there is a little time, so please be patient for a day or so.

Faure
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14 years ago, September 6th 2009 No: 9 Msg: #85403  
Thanks heaps - take your time! I really appreciate you doing this for me. Reply to this

14 years ago, September 14th 2009 No: 10 Msg: #86195  
D Posts: 38
Krystie

Thank you for the oportunity to give you my ideas of how to help plan your trip. To me, this was a great exercise and it is based on what I would do if I should follow the same route. I also enjoyed all the memories of my past visits.

I constantly had to remind myself of two things:
a) I would normally travel with own transport, a luxury that you do not have. Some of the sights and locations that I would have visited may not be that easy for you.
b) I am of a generation slightly older than you, you know, a generation that tend to live and play by day and sleep by night. Our interests may be very diferent. However, some of the places mentioned in my exercise actually stood the test of time, and may still be of interest to you and generations to come.

You are planning for a good time - best weather, and after the rush (and inflated prices) of worldcup 2010.

You can see what I put together for you at:

I have also included some general notes on South Africa, Swaziland and Namibia, which is in fact just a copy of something I did in the past for someone else, and it may be of interest. (Links at bottom of page)

I have omitted details about what to do or see in and around Cape Town from my suggestions. I do however offer you a link to a rather comprehensive list which I am sure will be of value to you:

Cities do over time change in shape, size and even character. I keep the list on Cape Town updated, so feel free to look at it again closer to your visit.

You mention that you will also travel to Namibia. A while back, someone asked my opinion on what to see in Namibia, and at that time I compiled a "tour" of the country, based on my experience, traveling from south to north. I include a link to the info as maybe you will find something of interest to you:


If you have any questions, or want more info, please do not hesitate to ask. I have travelled our part of the world extensively, in fact still do, and chances are that I have been to whereever you want information on.

During my travels I have collected many memories, a lot of photographs, and nowadays digital images. I have also left a large number of footprints and maybe even the odd sample or two. Whatever, it was always as much fun as I made it for myself. I cannot recall many memories of great moments that I experienced that was created by someone else. So, go out there and enjoy.

Unfortunately in todays world, one can also run into things that was not planned. I will send you my cell number by Personal Message. Keep it with you while in our part of the world, and if you need a local contact, do not hesitate to call - and I am sure your Mom will feel more comfortable with this info.

You asked about "unsafe" places. My personal experience, and I have a few more years than you in which I gathered that, is that trouble will find you if you go looking for it. Many travellers will tell you the important points to remember are:
a) If you are not comfortable with an area/situation, turn around and leave.
b) Do not openly show wealth.

On your proposed trip through our country, you will pass through places that are worlds apart from your everyday home environment, but that does not make it "unsafe". We have a very high crime rate, one that I am not proud of. Fortunately, should you analyse the available information, the majority of the crime occurs in small definable locations, which is not on normal, popular, or tourist routes.

I have not mentioned anywhere that I would think as "unsafe" among places that I included in my suggestions to you, and I can only hope that I will be proved right after your trip.

Enjoy your trip
Faure
Cape Town
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