I am new to international travel so forgive an ignorant question. Finding work along the way has been reference several times. How do you go about finding this work? Is it legal to work in these countries as a tourist?
Reply to this I'm not the best to answer this as I haven't actually worked internationally. But I'll make a couple comments.
It completely depends where you plan to be & work...and where you're from. I believe the UK, Oz, and NZ have work visa agreements that make it pretty easy to work in the each of those places - assuming you're from one of those places.
It seems to be pretty easy in NZ to get a work permit and then get seasonal jobs (picking fruit, working in Queenstown, etc). I think there are sometimes opportunities for teaching programs as well. I also met a few people who were working in Oz without a work visa, but they found a guy who would just pay them cash.
But beyond that I really don't know.
Reply to this I am new to international travel so forgive an ignorant question. Finding work along the way has been reference several times. How do you go about finding this work? Is it legal to work in these countries as a tourist?
Hello Pappy 😊
You may be able to get a temporary work permit for some countries. These permits generally have conditions. I got a work permit for Canada for a year when I was a student. The condition was that I had to be a student.
I would also have been able to get one for the US too when I was a student.
I think the one for Australia is age dependent.
For Thailand as far as I know you can buy a work permit.
In Europe I think an employer who wants to hire you can apply for a work permit for you but I am not sure about that.
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There are also possibilities to work illegally in many countries.
Mel
Reply to this I still remember very vividly when I saw my first paycheck in Norway... It was almost a debit!)... I do prefer to have the choice than having the government make it for me....
Part of living in a civilised society is that the able bodied and minded support the vulnerable elements of that society. I dont think we individually end up with more if we dont do this. With desperate poverty comes more social problems such as crime, drug addiction..... which will cost us in the long run.
Reply to this Part of living in a civilised society is that the able bodied and minded support the vulnerable elements of that society
Mel, This is a very noble and idealistic concept... that should work if we were not dealing with common humans... What I have found as a common theme everywhere is that government social programs usually benefit only a small percentage of people that actually classify as "vulnerable elements of that society". The rest, are just elements of that society that feel that living off their entitlements is far more desirable than finding a job and trade their free time away to earn their own income (you can identify them very easily in any "first-world" country... They are the ones who use food stamps to pay for their food, but have the latest mobile phone and TV sets at home).
I found a good parallel in our national parks, when humans give food to wildlife... When this happens, the wildlife loses its ability to be self-sufficient and may not survive unless humans keep providing their sustenance...
Entitlements are sometimes an effective way to help those who do need it become self-sufficient again, but more often than not, they transform people who would otherwise get back on their feet into permanent parasites. BTW, entitlements don't reduce or stop crime either... Low-income housing provided by the government (e.g. paid by the people who do earn their living) are the places with the most crimes in any city... and this is true everywhere!
I believe that education is the only real answer to the problem of World poverty... You don't give a person a fish, you teach him or her how to fish and have pride for doing it!
Reply to this Not quite sure what you mean but one must be born in NZ or be a" naturalised citizen"and reside in NZ to recieve a pension....
Dwitch, I was just trying to understand how your system works... I was assuming that you needed to be a New Zealander to participate. Your explanation clarify how it works.... Thank you!
Reply to this Entitlements are sometimes an effective way to help those who do need it become self-sufficient again, but more often than not, they transform people who would otherwise get back on their feet into permanent parasites.
Unless there is 0%!u(MISSING)nemployment it does not matter much to a country if there are people who want to spend their lives on social welfare. It would not be my choice of lifestyle but whatever...
Anyway, in order to educate the disadvantaged so we dont have to keep giving them fish we also have to shell out large amounts of money. This is another reason why we in Europe pay a large percentage of our incomes in tax. Some people dont just need to be reeducated, they need to be rehabilitated which costs even more money......
I think if we judge people who use food stamps or whatever we do nothing to decrease the tension in society which helps perpetuate social problems. Whenever we do anything to increase the tension in society we are in fact contributing to how expensive it is to maintain our societies.
Reply to this I think if we judge people who use food stamps or whatever we do nothing to decrease the tension in society
Mell, I tend see things from a slightly different perspective than yours... I immigrated (legally) to the "first-World' from one of the poorest countries in the "third-World" in the middle of a civil war and after losing several family members in the conflict (and with less than US $100 in my pocket)... Many of my countrymen (and women) with no substantial education keep arriving everyday to the U. S. with just what they are wearing.. They don't have any expectations other than a strong willingness to work hard, and thrive! Unemployment figures never bother them. Somehow they manage to always find work even when their language skills are non-existent... You give them one or two years and almost all of them do quite well. What do you think is the difference between them and the high-ranks of able-bodied citizens who prefer to live out of social programs and be "permanent victims of society"? (I could have used that excuse when I arrived to my adoptive country!)
Reply to this I dont know what the difference is but I dont think it matters. If there is ever a deperate shortage of workers it will matter. People do what they are motivated to do. There is usually some incentive which motivates them. Maybe immigrants are motivated by the desire to climb out of the desperate poverty they came from and a desire to prove themselves in a new country in the hope of having a better life than they came from. The others who are permanently unemployed and born in the USA may need something else to motivate them. Something that gives them a feeling of hope that they will get something they dream about.
Omega, You cant expect the same things that make you tick to make everybody tick.
Reply to this Mell, I don't really expect that people are the same in that respect at all.. What I can share with you (based on my background and experiences) is that poverty is very relative... I know more happy people living in what you call "desperate poverty" than in places where everyone would be considered wealthy in a material sort of way! That is because people have different things that make them tick (as you said)...
I just don't believe that socialism has ever worked or will ever work... Up to certain degree it fulfills the function to support the really needy, but it is usually taken by politicians to levels where it is intrinsically unfair.... I think that you touched on the real answer: motivation. I think that the key of the problem is how individuals get motivated.. I don't believe that handouts motivate... (with exceptions in circumstances such as serious illness - mental or physical, disasters, etc.). More likely, they erode away the self-esteem of the person who receives them and make the person forever dependent on the system and the politicians who establish it (who in turn, receive their power from an ever increasing pool of dependent citizens)... It becomes a vicious circle after that.
Reply to this OK GUYS,
In NZ benefits are not given lightly ,take unemployment for one ,you must prove you are looking for work,or take a job that is offered (if one is available)otherwise it wont be continued.For sickness only given with repeated docters certificates, solo parents are also expected to seek work as soon as possible .These benefits certainly are not meant to last a lifetime,only as assistance, and are very closely monitered,so very few slip the net and get classed as benefit bludgers,though a few do manage to milk the system unfortunatley.
We have free hospital care,government subsidised prescriptions & medicine.Cheaper public transport for beneficeries,so really we are probably a little more fortunate than some.
NZ is still a young country and steadily growing,it takes in a lot of refugees that other countries often turn away, that is why we are so multi national. When I take a look look at what other countries offer.It makes me proud to be a New Zealander,and when it comes to giving we do so whole heartedly.
I may travel abroad but ,I am always secure in my knowledge that I will return to NZ.
Reply to this It is pretty much like that in Ireland too, Dwitch.
When one is receiving social welfare the social welfare people look for suitable jobs or offer educational courses(these are free of charge to people on social welfare and they receive their social welfare money while attending the course). If a person on social welfare turns down those offers then their social welfare is discontinued.
Immigrants are offered training courses which include English language lessons.
People with degrees are given more time to find a job before they are forced to take one that the social welfare people find for them because they are not expected to use all their time doing a job they are over qualified for. At the same time they are expected to show the rejection letters they get from companies they applied to for a suitable job.
And yes, there are cheaters in Ireland who stay on social welfare despite every opportunity to get a job.
Medical care for emergencies and pregnancy and child birth can be got for free but visits to the doctor by people with non emergencies such as the flu have to be payed for by the individual who visits the doctor. Unless they are on social welfare that is. Then all their medical care is free of charge for them.
All universities and schools are now fee free for full time students.
And there is the old age pension which is adequate for those who have managed to buy a home during their working years.
The social welfare system is good but it certainly does not encourage people to live off it unnecessarily and endlessly.
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