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Imposing Dress Code for Tirupati Temple! Right or Wrong?

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Dress Code has been imposed in Tirupati Temple, which is situated in the Chittoor district of Andhra Pradeh. The move was initiated following a complaint by a devotee, who said that he was perturbed by women worshippers wearing what he condired immodest clothes.
15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 41 Msg: #63568  

.....never be possible in germany or other countries in europe.................


Never say never. Dont close your heart to those of us who want to accept you, just because there are others who wont. 😉 Reply to this

15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 42 Msg: #63569  

In india it is so...just like in europe women are not equal to men here...There is terrible exploitation and women still suffer..inspite of law...but just like in europe and other countries.


Well, yes! All women of the world are discriminated against and it is worse in some countries than others. And, I dont mean that some countries are better or worse as countries than others. I mean, as far as womens rights are concerned, some countries have made more progress than others.
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15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 43 Msg: #63576  
(I think the answer is to retrieve the baby, rather than removing womens rights and thus dragging the relevant societies back 100 or whatever years. Better to have made mistakes than to not have tried at all. )

The mistakes and dilemma's of feminists in India is costing lives and feeding the arrogance of one section of the society.When men stand up to womens rights its time for women to stand up for mens rights and injustices committed against men in the name of protecting women.
The problem according to me is that just as its "not manly" among men to cry...its not manly to report such issues concerning men.That is where injustice prevails and that is how equality dosent ever come into being.
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15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 44 Msg: #63580  

The mistakes and dilemma's of feminists in India is costing lives.....


Are the feminists in some country now killing people? If so, would you mind providing a link so I can read about it. They have not to my knowledge used violence to fight for womens rights against anybody except themselves. Of course, if this is changing, I agree with you that they should certainly stop killing people. Killing is never an acceptable form of protest.

When men stand up to womens rights its time for women to stand up for mens rights and injustices committed against men in the name of protecting women.


Women earn 10%!o(MISSING)f the worlds earnings and own 1%!o(MISSING)f the worlds property. If men are lacking rights, it does not seem to be causing women to gain.
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15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 45 Msg: #63582  
(Are the feminists in some country now killing people?)

In their own sweet way they are....They are perpetuating injustice and making it look as ultimate expression of justice....

(If so, would you mind providing a link so I can read about it.)

certainly ...anytime....please read below...

"This poorly formulated law is inviting women to file false cases, and causing the imprisonment of innocent husband and his old parents without investigation. They are put behind bar along with other criminals. These innocent people undergo stigmatization and emotional trauma even before the trial in the court of law, which leads to emotional, physical and financial torture. Some of the falsely accused have committed suicide after being jailed, unable to bear the social consequences. Helplessness drove these innocent families to commit suicide. What is the Government doing to protect these innocent families?

Result of False Accusations.

As per Recent report from Ahmedabad, Rajesh Hasmukh Desai, a married man, committed suicide. He was falsely charged under IPC 498A. If a woman dies in "any" circumstances within seven years of marriage, police, by default, will arrest the husband and his parents for abetting suicide of a woman or for dowry death. But in this case, police did not interrogate his wife, nor took any action against her. Rajesh's case file was closed and the actual perpetrator got scot-free. Why the possibility of the wife driving her husband Rajesh Desai to suicide was ruled out ? Why she is not punished for abetting her husband's suicide? "


Why are women in India never procecuted for providing false accusation.

Why are womens organisations so keen on having that kind of protection for their lies and misdeeds?.

In case we find a women who has provided false evidence and if it is proved beyond doubt in the court still men have no way to bring that women to justice.

A study by Professor K. Nagaraj, senior economist at the Madras Institute of Development Studies (MIDS)
The distribution of suicides by marital status reveals some alarming pattern.
Among those currently married, while the rate for males is about 17 per 100,000 persons, the rate for females is 11.4 per 100,000.

Among divorced males the suicide rate is 164 per 100,000 persons, but even in this class, among females the rate is only 63 per 100,000.

While the suicide rate for separated men is about 167, for females it is only 41 per 100,000 persons.
Such alarming statistical reports have not yet convinced the Government that men too are victims of domestic violence and not providing them legal protection will only increase the suicide numbers for men.

and now this

Despite the recommendations of the Supreme Court of India and Justice Malimath Committee that the legislative arm should modify the laws such that the innocent are protected. The suggested amendment in the 498A law has been largely ignored. Innocent men and old parents are visiting women cell for help, but they are neglected. Unchecked, this social evil is threatening the foundation of the Indian Family system.

Why do people misuse IPC 498a ?

Legal Extortion - When marriage is on the brink of Divorce, she finds no better weapon to harass her husband and in-law than 498A. Women will blackmail her husband and in-laws and coerce them to fulfill her demands or else she will file a false complaint against them. The husband knows that the law indiscriminately favours the woman and so he agrees to her selfish demands.

Domination - Wife wants the husband to abandon his parents and siblings, so that she can have total control over his finances and social behavior, including his life-style.

This is nothing but sheer cruelty. Extreme disaster and an unending mental trauma. And men have no protection from it.

We are not talking about the dowry deaths or physical injury cases but about dowry harassment cases that require no evidence and can be filed based on a single complaint by the wife. With an estimated of 60,000 such accusations per year and an average of 4 members of the husband's family falsely implicated in each of these 498A cases, about 240,000 people are directly affected by these false accusations.

Latest Statistics Published on IBN-CNN.

*In 2004, 58,319 dowry cases were registered.
*1,34,757 men were arrested.
*47,828 cases have reached the charge sheet stage.
*10,491 dowry cases were not charge sheeted as they were based on frivolous ground.
*However, 5,739 men have been convicted but more than four times that number have been acquitted (24,127)

"Lucknow, February 6 A 30-year-old man, Pushkar Singh, committed suicide by hanging himself from a ceiling fan at his home in Jankipuram area of Vikas Nagar, on Wednesday.
In a suicide note, addressed to the Allahabad High Court, Singh alleges that he was framed in a dowry case by his wife Vinita and her relatives, due to which he had to spend time in judicial custody for four months.

The Vikas Nagar police registered a case later in the day.

"During the investigation, if we find it necessary to question Vinita, we will definitely record her statement," said BP Singh, Station Officer, Vikas Nagar.

Pleading innocence and holding his wife responsible for the extreme step he was taking, Singh's note states: "I was sent to jail after a false dowry case was lodged against me by Vinita and her family, who had demanded Rs 14 lakh as a compensation. Neither my father nor I had seen such a big amount in our lives. We even sold our house to contest the case.

In the note, Singh further wrote: "I would also like to request Vinita not to harass my family in future. It was my mistake to marry her and I am repenting it by sacrificing my life."

Every 4 minutes in India an innocent person (who never demanded any dowry or money from the wife/daughter-in-law) including old mothers/pregnant sisters/children are facing false and fabricated Dowry cases and sent behind bars without any evidence (since no evidence is required and 498A is non-bailable).
Despite the Law commission and various judges' recommendations to make 498A a bailable offence, our lawmakers have not made any effort to save the innocent people who are being victimized by the abusive women and their families.
We must stop this legal terrorism (as termed by the Supreme Court of India) by our radical women organizations that openly advocates and legitimizes adultery by the wife and killing of the unborn child (against the husband's wishes).


NOT ONLY do women lie...they are also as cruel as men....but we are not allowed to say that aloud in any culture.

if there is a law that can be exploited to their gain...women are same as men to exploit it.



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15 years ago, February 19th 2009 No: 46 Msg: #63583  
Please read this ...

Beginning year 2000, Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF) has been incessantly working to spread awareness regarding the growing misuse of draconian anti-dowry laws like IPC Section 498A against Indian Husbands and their families. SIFF has been constantly urging the Government to make amendments to the laws to ensure that misusers of the provisions are punished and innocent citizens are protected from legal terrorism. SIFF has been campaigning to end denigration of men, devaluation of their lives and violation of their basic human rights.

The Government, however, has not taken any steps to address the above mentioned problems, forcing thousands of men to end their lives. According to the National Crime Bureau, the number of suicides by males in every age group studied outweighs the number of suicides by females, in the recent years. In the year 2005 alone, nearly twice as many married men (52,483), compared to married women (28,186), committed suicide, unable to withstand verbal, emotional, economic and physical abuse and legal harassment.

While every death of a young married woman is converted into a case of dowry death leading to immediate arrest of the husband and in-laws, accompanied by media-hype, male-bashing and breast-beating, large-scale suicides of men do not cause any outrage in the society. Media finds no incentive in highlighting the truth about abused men. People in power find no financial or political mileage to be gained from helping battered men.


There have been distrubing cases where in the petitioner file in DV act and suppressed the notice to ensure the humiliation of arrests and somehow bring in the police in the civil law. Even women staying outside India, like USA/UK/Dubai filling the Domestic violence Act just to harrase and extrote the money from the husabnds family in Indian court.

This law is cynically ignorant of the first principle of human rights , dignity, law and justice .

Supreme court Judges themselves have termed it as a badly drafted law.


There is no evidence that the Domestic violence faced by men is less than women. It is the hard fact that when women do the domestic violence against men, the same considered as Social Service and try to justify the same as women’s right, instead of considering the same as offence. If we go through the Men suicide stastics, specially after marriage, it is very clear that the men’s life are not less troublesome than women in India.


It is also pertinent to note that according to the National Family Survey (inspite of it using the now heavily criticized Greenberg lake model rather then the more reliable conflict of Tactical scale model which is more reliable) on domestic violence only 25%!o(MISSING)f the violence is caused by men and out of it a very small number is committed by husbands, while a full 75%!o(MISSING)f the violence is perpetrated by the women. The finding is not surprising since men tend to put the welfare of women over their own welfare. Indian men unlike Western counterparts look at it as lifelong commitment and that is why this finding is not unsurprising. Where as the blood male & female relative treat her as a burden to be passed on and hence they contribute to the violence against women more.

Further it is totally wrong to assume and biased view that each and every suicide of a women due to men and all the suicide of men the same to be termed as social service by women , even when it is clear evidence that the women is responsible for the suicide of the men , still such women get Scot free .

recently a 93 year old frail women who could barely stand was brought to court by her daughter in law and one look at her convinced the jurdge to dismiss the case.
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15 years ago, February 20th 2009 No: 47 Msg: #63622  

I dont think it is politically healthy to compare women and men(or compare any other groups for that matter) with the purpose of formulating a decision about who is worse than who, in order to decide which should have more political rights. All people should have equal rights.
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15 years ago, February 20th 2009 No: 48 Msg: #63640  
My question mel is why fight for womens rights and mens rights separately... :-)
Is our pain different than yours?

why are women sooo different that they cannot be called humans? and bundle their rights under human rights...

when feminists separte women from men they tear at a delicate fabric and become excessively agressive...sometimes going to the point of imitating the male chaunists of yesteryears.....

I did not compare women with men or anyother group ...with ANY PURPOSE....There was no secret agenda to have more political rights....I just said many men suffer but never tell....
women suffer and have many political fronts representing them.Which men lack because of the society's insensitiveness to men's problems in general. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 20th 2009 No: 49 Msg: #63643  

My question mel is why fight for womens rights and mens rights separately... :-)




Because, I am comparing your information with the extensive reports that have been done about gender rights around the world. You have showed me a pageful of incidents where women did unfair things to men and got away with it. A pageful of incidents without any percentages, numbers, statistics etc that compare how much this happens in the various countries and how much it happens to men in comparison with women is not conviincing. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 21st 2009 No: 50 Msg: #63683  

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 51 Msg: #63815  
B Posts: 52
The reports on gender rights is mostly done bye people living outside looking through the lenses of CNN and BBC. Most cases, I mean this topic started out as respecting the temples customs. In a muslim mosque you have men and women praying in seperate rooms in order to prevent "impure" thoughts. I do believe that, this course of action was right, and has nothing to do with politics. Your not there to catch the eye of the cute guy/girl you've been crushing on.

In not hindu or muslim.

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15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 52 Msg: #63819  

The reports on gender rights is mostly done bye people living outside looking through the lenses of CNN and BBC.


Which ones are done by CNN and BBC? Living outside what?

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15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 53 Msg: #63832  

I do believe that, this course of action was right, and has nothing to do with politics.


Should religion and politics be separate? Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 54 Msg: #63836  

Most cases, I mean this topic started out as respecting the temples customs.


Yeah, converstions develop. I was considering branching this to make separate topics, but some of the posts are very long and the line between the Temple rules and gender politics and religion in general is unclear so I let all of the topics continue in this thread.
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15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 55 Msg: #63838  

The reports on gender rights is mostly done bye people living outside....


Presuming what is meant by this comment is that the reports are not being done by those they are about: Often those who are most in need of more rights are the most reluctant to fight for those rights and most resistant to others who fight for them. They are in the most vulnerable position and fear what change will bring.

In this light, I consider it lucky that all feminists are not women, and unfortunate but understandable that all women are not feminists. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 56 Msg: #63858  
B Posts: 52
Yes I think politics and religion should be separate. Religion is a guide to recognized how to treat people, and generally all religions say the same things, treat people right, be a good person and always try to better yourself. Ok great! When it comes to a dress code... I say, "let it be", who cares. Even the Vatican has a dress code.

As for rights and equality in society and everyday life, I do believe that they should be on par with each other. Nobody, male or female, should have more say than another as long as you can back your argument then it should be considered.

By the BBC and CNN comment. I was trying to say, most people make up there mind about some part of the world by watching biased tools of propaganda. These thoughts influence the way the report is written. Rather the tone of the report is more cynical and judgmental of the target group/society. True, that in some places the situation is ridiculously out of control but in others its blown way out of proportion. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 57 Msg: #63862  

I say, "let it be", who cares.


Well, obviously some people care. If there was not gender bias concerning the dress code, I dont think it would cause as much debate. But there is and it is.

...all religions say the same things, treat people right, be a good person and always try to better yourself.


That part of religion is wonderful. But for some reason attrocities against human rights are committed in the name of religion. What happens in between the treat people right,.... message and wars, discrimination etc?

Even the Vatican has a dress code.


And why are we comparing religions? They all have their root in spirituality but the spirituality gets lost along the way, and people do so much in the name of religion that is against the human spirit.

What does the human spirit want? Is religion really helping us achieve this end? In my opinion, religion does not allow enough individuality for spiritualy blossom.

Yes I think politics and religion should be separate.


If this happens, should the state still pay for the upkeep of churches etc? And doesnt it create a second set of laws, some of which clash with the laws of some countries.

As for rights and equality in society and everyday life, I do believe that they should be on par with each other. Nobody, male or female, should have more say than another as long as you can back your argument then it should be considered.


Should religion have different rules to the rest of society then?

By the BBC and CNN comment. I was trying to say, most people make up there mind about some part of the world by watching biased tools of propaganda.


Why do they do this, in your opinion? Surely with all the freedom we have, people would want to explore a bit more?

Also, why do you consider the BBC and CNN to be producing propaganda? That implies that they are lying doesnt it?

Rather the tone of the report is more cynical and judgmental of the target group/society.


Is it? Would you show an example. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 58 Msg: #63865  
B Posts: 52
I'm not saying that they are lies out right, but a more acceptable spin. How often do you hear CNN tell us about the number of US soldiers killed in the middle east? Its more like, lets concentrate on Taliban, and Sadam's bio weapons.

Or, lets keep Peter Schiff quiet because he actually knows what he's talking about. And if people actually find out how the bailout plan is really going effect the economy everyone might vote us out of power. But lets let you listen to Obama because he's more popular among the business community and general public.

As for funding for churches, temples, and mosques, should be cut. Don't flame me for this to me they are just money pits. Where the money goes nobody knows. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 59 Msg: #63866  
B Posts: 52
I not saying in anyway that the money is used to fund shady organizations, but more like, how does a priest afford to drive an Audi. There might even be huge tax breaks for such organizations, don't know. My opinion, not a very popular one :P Reply to this

15 years ago, February 23rd 2009 No: 60 Msg: #63867  
B Posts: 52
"religion does not allow enough individuality for spiritualy blossom. "

This is true, but it does bring some unity and stability to some parts of the world. Where if everyone was on there own and didn't have a common purpose we would not have this kind of progress in mankind. Religion is becoming a little out dated but it still keeps communities in touch and connected. It helps you remember your roots and what reminds you of the sacrifices that were made to give you this new world. Reply to this

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