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Foods around the World

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Part of the travel experience is enjoying the foods from different cultures.
12 years ago, July 7th 2011 No: 1 Msg: #139771  

12 years ago, July 8th 2011 No: 2 Msg: #139834  
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Nothing surprises me, it is a shame.... The costs of foods are only set to rise as well. I hope that people do get together and revolt against place the push the local cuisine out the door.

I hope the revolt is localized where we turn away from the brands and back to the culture.

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12 years ago, July 9th 2011 No: 3 Msg: #139878  
The book that those photos come from, Hungary Planet is actually quite good. But I disagree with the Time's articles general tone that changing cuisines means that culture and heritage is necessarily being "lost." These types of nostalgic decries rest on the presumption that culture, cuisine, and even nations are static, fixed entities impervious to change. I somewhat disagree with the suggestion that:

those cultural exchanges have exploded, leading to something closer to cultural homogenization. That's bad for not only the preservation of national identities but the preservation of health too



I've read some very well researched works that counter this notion of cultural homegenization. If you look at the way McDonald's, for instance, is used and interpreted is Beijing, Moscow and the anytown USA, you're going to run across some striking differences. While the food might be recognizable, the way it is incorporated into culture is completely different.

Health - well now perhaps. But main issues with famines everywhere and food scarcity in many places are the result of political actions. I would suggest that it is cheap corn and grain subsidies exported from the U.S that undercuts local African farmers' profit, disrupting an agrarian economy thus restricted cash circulation. And that is problematic. Now this idea that industrialization is inherently bad and that folks can't get real food but can always get Coke (and that this is somehow aberrant) speaks of this idea rooted in Maslaw's Hierarchy that "the poor" shouldn't desire or want for anything other than basic necessities, and that if they do, it is the result of poor education and a not knowing better rather than a conscious choice on how to spend income.

Are new food technologies changing the way we eat? Yes. But so did agriculture, refrigeration and water sanitation. The "meal away from home" was instituted in order to adapt to changes in processing, factories and other labor shifts when it became impractical to travel home for the day. And you see that as far back as the 17/18th century. Were people decrying it then? Naturally. But we would never think of restaurants as detrimental to food culture - now they very much defined food culture in parts of the world.

So while I think this article brings some interesting observations to light, it also has a few holes. But awesome to see references to Carole Counihan and Ken Albala unexpectedly! Each have some excellent books on food culture and food history, and the later at least is a real amusement. Ever so witty, but well informed.
[Edited: 2011 Jul 09 01:41 - Stephanie and Andras:35953 ]
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12 years ago, July 10th 2011 No: 4 Msg: #139941  
Stephanie,

I was hoping you'd give your thoughts on all of this because I know you are an expert in this area. I am glad to hear your views on the homegenization of cultures. I'm currently in a nutrition class and we are looking at eating habits around the world from a health and medical point of view.

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12 years ago, July 10th 2011 No: 5 Msg: #139978  
Glad to do it! Naturally I am compelled to also mention that a "health and medical" view is also a very specific culturally constructed lens through which to view eating habits. While we accept a biomedical framework as "natural" this is not to say that the rest of the world will accept and agree with it so readily - or that the motivations for providing such information are necessarily free of bias, hidden interests and that all parties will agree on what makes "better health" (can you guess who was the squeaky wheel in all my nutrition classes?)

What is really interesting is to look how nutrition has changed over the years - even in American/Western Europe. Jessica Murdy has an interesting book on how our concepts of "proper nutrition" developed entitled Measured Meals - how we got stuck on quantification. Just as we look back at medical advice 100 years ago and think "Wow, they knew nothing!" and wonder if our descendants will be doing the same to us... Reply to this

12 years ago, July 10th 2011 No: 6 Msg: #139981  


Hey, these instructors need a student to challenge them from time to time because they can get bored teaching the same thing over and over. From time to time I think---that they don't believe some of the stuff they are telling us but it is in the program. Bravo to you for making them defend their point of view with a few facts!

We are unlikely to have bias free information....that is difficult to come by.(especially in America and especially when discussing our foods)

I'm going to pick up Measured Meals....sounds like a good book.
My belief is that in thirty years everyone will be eating far more healthy than now. We are in an awareness phase and slowly people are beginning to make better choices.Our descendants will look at us and wonder why we embraced fast foods, fried foods and the like so easily.

Many employers are beginning to charge employees additional premiums and co-pays if they are obese because the cost of dealing with the health problems caused by poor nutrition in America is astronomical. ( heart disease, diabetes and some cancers) Sadly, in America, the way to get someones attention is to negatively impact their pocket book.
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12 years ago, July 10th 2011 No: 7 Msg: #139987  
I've actually been in the midst of a long list-serv discussion (among other discussions) about the adoption of industrialized for and this push-back to the "local home cooked." Makes perfect sense to me why prepared food seems to so attractive - stuck in "drudgery" for years, woman are no longer forced to spend hours and hours, mixing this, kneading that, cutting and chopping and preparing endless meals. Now it's all prepared at the store. Leads to an increase in free time. These items were consider modern, cosmopolitan and signs of progress (much like the way McDonald's is viewed in China) back when they were introduced.

Now we're just seeing another pendulum swing. One must wonder if the process of shopping and cooking fresh foods would be imbued with such conceptions of "joy" and "pleasure" if the act of consumption these products weren't already bestowed with signs of culture and social significance.

I get annoyed with arguments that point to processed food as the sole cause of obesity. I used to eat fast-food and soda with abandon - but I was also very physically active and remained in great shape. I might suggest it is car culture, or suburbia, the notion that outdoor spaces are 'dangerous' for kids, that exacerbates the calorie-density of cheep food in America. Food in and of itself doesn't cause anything, but rather the social and cultural circumstances in which is it used and consumed (unless you want to take a very Latour-ian stance, and argue that all materiality is equal and that food is simply exerting more dominance over the material body. Hmmm....what a interesting framework to think of the "obesity epidemic"! That just opened up a whole new set of thoughts) Reply to this

12 years ago, July 13th 2011 No: 8 Msg: #140140  
Hi Stephanie,

Always good to hear additional views to these issues. I'm not sure I've heard many people say that processed food are the sole cause of obesity but they do point the finger in that direction. Absolutely the issue is a sedentary life versus and active life. Sounds like you've had your share of fast foods and have been able to balance that with exercise.

I am going to make a generalization--- which I try to avoid. I think that a large percentage of people who frequent the fast food scene on a regular basis are not out exercising later that day to work it off. I suspect many in this commuter culture, grab the meal, take it home and relax in front of the TV. No-- not all-- but I think many have this behavior.

I am making an effort to decrease the sugars in my life and that rules out many of the processed foods. Reply to this

12 years ago, September 25th 2011 No: 9 Msg: #143926  

Anything about this that surprises you?



Im surprised by how much that German family of 4 spend per week on food. We as a family of 3 dont spend nearly as much.

The second article probably explains why we dont spend as much as the average family here in Germany on food. I am pretty good with cooking, and being able to make good food, from natural ingredients costs a lot less than buying ready made items. People sometimes give me a hard time about not having a full time paying job and adding my tax to the huge income tax my boyfriend already pays here. Well, at least according to the second link above, I am saving us money on food bills and causing us to live longer. Reply to this

12 years ago, September 25th 2011 No: 10 Msg: #143929  
PS. I dont think I am doing much to preserve traditional Irish(I am from Ireland) food though, even though cooking is almost of as much interest to me as travelling is. Today, we had 1 traditional Irish item which was potato griddle bread. The rest was Indian curry, Chinese stir fry, Indian style onion bajis with Thai sweet chilli dip, French Fries, toasted cheese sandwichs, mint and pomagrant cake, so looks like I am as guilty of cultural homogenization as many.

Isnt cultural homogenization a good thing in some ways though? It does add exoticness to our lives, without having to do any expensive and environmenal destroying flying accross continents.




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