Are you religious? If so which religion are you?
What do you get out of being religious?
If you are not religious why not?
So it is always Adam and Eve and not Eve and Adam. And it is the father and son who are given prominnant positions. Why is the virgin Mary not included in the the god trinity. One could argue that then it would not be a trinity anymore, but there is no real reason why it has to be a trinity is there. And if there is the son could be removed and the virgin mary included instead. It could be a 4 person, god but it isnt...... And I suppose there some excuse for it being the son of god who rather than the daughter of god who was the one to save us all.
Well, it is sexist for sure, but more important than establising that it is sexist is to ask why women put up with this. Why would they agree to something that clearly makes them inferior to men? Surely, a person would need to be crazy to agree to accept a lesser position or else there are some consequences to not accepting?
The term woman was a term of endearment at the time.
Maybe, but it also implied a person of lesser status. Still does, but we are making progress despite the resistance of religion.
The Christian religion was the first one to give women rights.
But then what happened? Christian churches are far from societies leaders in womens rights. Why did they stop promoting rights for women? My guess is they became stagnant while the rest of society progressed.
Reply to this It is only a lesser position if you see it that way. All positions are important. If everyone is doing the same job, something is not getting done.
Question: Would you change who you are to please something you made? Isn't that what you are asking of God?
Reply to this It is only a lesser position if you see it that way.
No, that is not true. It is a lesser position! The attributes typical of women are used to justify why women should have less power, wealth and autonomy than men have. Same applies for discrimination against other groups.
Reply to this Also please take time to read Romans 1:16. Notice the little word "it". Of course if you don't "believe" that the Bible is the true word from "God" The Father ( 2 Tim 3:16) then that is a choice you have made. He has given you and everyone the "way out of hell (hell would be the separation from God and you upon your physical death for eternity)". Place your faith in 1Cor 15:1-4. Have faith (Heb 11:1) in this verse 1Cor 15:1-4. Some would say that this is too simple. It was not for Christ, He did it ALL. What could we do to help Him pay of our sins? Nothing. . . but accept the free gift in 1 Cor 15:1-4.
There is surely a bible someplace on the internet. Would somebody who is familiar with the bible please post links to the parts listed in the above quote, so those who do not own a bible will be able to read them and take part in the discussion.
Reply to this Should a janitor be upset because he never gets to be principal? Yet the principal will tell you how important the janitor's job is to him getting his done.
Reply to this Should a janitor be upset because he never gets to be principal?
If he is not allowed to pursue a career as a teacher, that could eventually lead to him becomming a principal based on his being a member of the ''wrong'' race, then I can understand why he might get upset. Nothing wrong with being a janitor, but he should be allowed to pursue a career in any area that he has the ability for. And race or gender is not something that should determine a persons ability to become a school principal.
Reply to this But it is not of this world that our heights can truly be reached. In Heaven all are brought in to be close to God. That is my objective of this world. And when the objective is not of this world, the rest does not matter.
The point of religion is not the equalizing of sexes or the ruling of countries. It is the getting souls to be in Heaven. All sexes are equal in that aspect.
Reply to this But it is not of this world that our heights can truly be reached.
So, women will get their reward in heaven even if religions discriminate against them because of their gender. So, if we have our priorities right we should be concentrating on submitting to whatever religion dictates and stop wasting valuable time with fighting for our fair share while on earth because the after life is more important than the actual life. It is petty minded of us to pursue something so unimportant as equal rights in this life, in the whole scheme of things.
I see your reasoning, but I wont submit to it. Women should have equal rights to wealth, power and automomy as men have.
Reply to this It is good to have equality in many things. Just not my priority. And there is much peace and much gained beyond natural goods - even in this world - when a job is well done.
Reply to this Ah, I understand where you are comming from now. You already understand that religions are sexist but you dont think that is important. Thank goodness there is legislation in place in our countries to protect us from religion, that is somewhat being effectively enforced. I dont think we should just carelessly take it for granted though.
when a job is well done.
Now, this is a new question. Is religion a job well done? With more information and education available to more people than ever these days, many are doubting it.
Reply to this With mine - when you preform your job as to your state in life - it is a prayer. And when that is well done - it is a prayer well done and there is peace. Example: If a mother were to neglect her children to just go pray and read religious books - the prayer would be unacceptable, as she is not taking care of what God gave her to do. It could actually be sinful. Now that does not mean you neglect your prayers for your children always - but the taking care of them should be a prayer in it's self.
Reply to this What is worrying Dympna is that you are using religious beliefs to disregard human rights. Is it just womens rights, or does it also apply to gay rights, race rights, rights of people of other religions.....? Geez Dympna, we are talking about prejudice here. Prejudice is the cause of so many of the problems we are trying to overcome in our societies these days. You are making religion seem like a seriously dangerous influence.
I am starting to wonder if something that influences people in this way should be allowed at all. But, I suppose it is given some tolerance because of laws of habit. ie Sometimes it is better to allow something even if it has negative effect on society, so long as there is legislation put in place to contain it somewhat.
Reply to this No - I have nothing against those of other races. Person is born as a person is born and have every right to liberty and life. Women have rights just like men. Men have jobs too and have responsibilities. Problem is - most men don't know how to be men. They think they can bully women and that is not true. Christ said they were to treat their wives as He treats His - and He came to serve his spouse which is the Church. Because this second part is forgotten, men think we are just here to obey and not think for ourselves. This is not the message of the Gospels or any part of my religion. Woman was made from the rib of Adam, not his feet! We are to be by his side and he has the duty to protect us! But because of twisting of scriptures and then furthered in large part by the anger of women - this has long gone by the way side. When we are angry towards men - we loose our power. It is in our femininity that we have great power over men. Men are simple beasts to say the least. Feed them, be nice to them, and ... they are happy and will fall all over themselves to please us. But the circle of how to be happy together has long been lost in selfishness.
Now who is being tolerant? If it disagrees with you it should not be allowed? Tolerance in the Latin definition is: "An acceptable amount of evil." I don't call people evil - so I don't use the word tolerance, nor do I call for more evil to be acceptable.
Reply to this God will never come down except when Christ came, to the level of sinful mankind, he is the three in one and one in three and the one in the middle died for me. Jesus Christ said I and my Father are one. And there are three that bear record in heaven,the Father, the word,and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. 1st John 5:7. In the Authorized King James Holy Bible of 1611. He died for all our sins on the cross 2000 years ago, including sodomy, rebellion in the home by husbands, wives, or children. We need to come to God on his terms,repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ who also was buried,and rose from the dead the third day, was seen of men,and went back up to heaven. Believe his word,The Holy Bible by faith or their is no hope behond this life for you in Gods heaven. Sincerely;
Reply to this I have noted your opinion on womens rights and on race rights, Dympna. What do you have to say about gay rights and the rights of people of other religions?
....rebellion in the home by husbands, wives, or children.
What kind of rebellion?
Shouldnt religion have more to do with getting us in touch with our spirituality? It seems to be full of prejudice, punishment and over adherence of rules that have long ago become inappropriate in our societies.
Reply to this Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church. Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands,children obey your parents in the Lord ,for this is right ! Since the woman did what the devil wanted and yielded to the temptation she had to have her husband rule over her. Since the husband did ate the fruit willingly because he loved his wife more than God he has to work by the sweat of his brow for to take care of her until death do they part. And the wife brings forth children in sorrow and much pain. And children need to listen to there parents especially before there of age to be on their own. Its what works but can only be done willingly by knowing Christ as personal Saviour otherwise it is still rebellion and sin in peoples families since they got their sin nature from Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. But John 3 and Romans 10 are still there to show us Gods salvation in his word if we will accept it. Sincerely;
Reply to this That is one horrible passage that you quoted from the bible George. It is straight back to the bad old days of medieval type family law. You dont really expect your wife to submit unto you and your children to obey you not matter what you say, I hope.
But because of twisting of scriptures
Why arent they replaced with something that is easier for people to understand? Much of what the bible says is ripe for twisting and corruption because it is worded in such an obscure way. Then people could interpret it themselves instead of accepting secondhand interpretations from priests and popes etc
Reply to this Oh it is clear - they just don't want to read the whole thing. They pick and choose which passages apply to them. It is not a second hand interpretation of a priest or pope. It is more of a protestant twist.
What George said is not horrible. That is what he believes. It is different from you and this thread is about what we believe. Don't think I will answer much more here, in as it has become - if you don't agree with me you are intolerant. We are allowing you your beliefs, but our are being attacked. You are reading what we are saying with glasses on that will not allow you to see what we are saying and including your own predetermined beliefs to color them.
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