A crash course of Buddhism in Lhasa, Tibet


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July 10th 2006
Published: July 10th 2006
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We arrived to Lhasa by plane. we really wanted to get to Tibet with the new train that opened last week but there was a 10 day (!) waiting list and our visa to China expires in 3 weeks so we flew. BTW the soft seat train (48hr) is only 20usd less then the flight (2hr) we entered the city through the Chinese part which looks like any other Chinese city we visited. but the bus stopped rig... Read Full Entry



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Namtso lake

we went to see a holy lake. on the way we passed a 5190m pass!!
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Namtso lake

the lake itself is 4700m and is surrounded by +7000m high mountains
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Namtso lake

the rock formations are holy to the Tibetans.
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Namtso lake

the lake is the highest salt water lake in the world.
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Namtso lake

circling it will give you good luck. but it takes 14 days...
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Namtso lake

we climbed a hill 200m above the lake for the views
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the new Tibetan railway

the railroad is an engineering marvel. most of it is above 4000m. it is 1500km long with over half on bridges or tunnels!
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the new Tibetan railway

the views from the tracks
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the new Tibetan railway

more views, diffrent place
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Tibet

mountain from the airplane
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Lhasa

resting
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Lhasa

since Lhasa is high (3600m) and has lots of sun-shine then mirrors are used to heat water pots
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Lhasa

we found this in a Tibetan restaurant! at first is seemed not related. but the restaurant is called "Tashi" meaning - good luck. see the conection?
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Lhasa

after writing the blog and looking at the hotel site we saw that there is a roof-top resturant in the hotel. this is the view we found. after that we couldn't leave the place. btw you can also see the Potala from there but we already have enough Potala photos



11th July 2006

how do you know the tibetans are not pleased with the train when you have not even spoken to them? what most tibetans want is not political or religious freedom as what many westerners assume, they just want a chance to catch up with the rest of china or even the developed world, something they can never achieve if they are in a medieval country sandwitched between two powerful nations and led by a smiling monk. this is a very complicated problem that cannot be explained in a few words, my advice is to look at things from their perspective, since you are in tibet it is a good chance to do so. and for your info, tibet had been part of china for centuries until the british came, so it is not wrong to use the word liberated.
13th July 2006

answer your questions....
it is ture Tibet has proggressed much in the last years. friends that have traveled to Tibet 10 years ago tell a diffrent story of how Tibet was. it is also true that if Tibet gets indipendence then it will be the poorest country in Asia along with East-Timor BUT..... It is the asperation of people to retain thier culture, customes and treditions. (this is not a "Western view" - it is even your own view wherever you are!) China did not do that in the last 60 year. on the contrary: from the start of the chineese rule through the "cultural revolution" to the present day distruction of holy-lakes for electric pklans there has been nothing of Opration. the emprisonment of countless Tibetan leaders (not to mention the Panacha Lama himself!). the distruction and bombing of Temples and Monestaties show how deep the orprestion is. Only now has China found the economic benafit of this minoraty due to tourism. but traveling to Lhasa, where most chineese tourist are, one has a sence that you are more in a chinese disnyland that in Tibet. luckly the countryside (empty of the chinese tourist) is still not as developed. the fact the the Police have such a strong presence at the Tibetan centers of political power (read: the monestaries) and the many Tibetan uprisings (last one in 1996) is the idication that under the serfice the Tibetans want thier freedom. if not political then at least cutlrual
14th July 2006

I'm sure the tibetans want the liberation and economic pros, unfortunately it's going to come at a fairly large cost of culture, traditions, etc. Eighther way you go you lose out on something.
17th July 2006

Great photos......
Having just travelled through Lhasa several months ago, your photos brought back so many memorires and are a great snapshot of the place. I've also just been through Dharamasala ( seat of Tibetan Government in Exile and home of HH 14THDalai Lama) where free speech is allowed and there was definitely a movement against the new train, with posters all round the place and a movement to wear a black armband for mourning. I think the new railway line will further dilute Tibetan traditions, which is a real shame as I MUCH preferred the Tibetan areas to the soulless Chinese new constructions. One further point, which is not publicised in Tibet ( because of no free speech)- did you realise the Chinese in 1995 kidnapped the Panchen lama - only 6 years old- who is the second highest spiritual leader in Tibet after the Dalai lama, and who would normally choose the next Dalai Lama. He hasn't been heard of since, and the Chinese have nominated their own Panchen Lama, which can't be done, as these lamas are supposed to be the reincarnation of the previous lama, so I'm not sure how the Tibetans will now find their next Dalai Lama. It seems such a crime.....
17th July 2006

truth of occupation
imagine what the american or any other government would do if some foreign government and organisation keep influencing certain groups of its population that they are under oppression and urges them to fight for independence? a "preemptive strike" on those terrorists bases or air strikes against countries that are responsible for infuencing its citizens? by contrast the "chinese occupation" is very moderate. talking about culture revolution and its damages, it was definately not targeted at tibet, it was a nationwide catastrophy to chinese and whatever culture in china, tibetan culture by contrast was relatived spared due to tibets' remoteness and small presence of mad students. regarding panchen lama, no body knows what really happened to him, probably the cia kidnapped him and put the blame on china, even if the chinese government really kidnapped him it must be because people with evil intention may use him against the stability of tibet, if that happens who is going to suffer? have you ever wondered why those who seems to care so much about human rights and religious freedom in china never seems to realise that millions are dying in congo, and never seems to care much about what israel is doing to its neighbours. have you also wondered what those tibetans who talks about oppression all the time really want, some probably really think so, but the majority of them is using this as an excuse to seek asylum in dharamsala, a tibetan friend once asked me if dharansala has any link with chinese police because her cousin is trying to escape after accidentally knocking down someone while driving with no license. and for those of you who think china stands to gain something from the "occupation", you probably don't know that every year huge amount of money and resources are pumped into tibet from other parts of china, even with the construction of hydroplants and extraction of local resources, tibet is still heavily dependent on others, and if you think the meagre income from its travel industry could have any leftover for the central government you are very wrong. if you think chinese other than businessman and tourists enjoy going to tibet you are wrong again, in the early days of "occupation", tens of thousands of fresh graduates from big cities were sent to aid the development of tibet only to be slaughtered by simple minded tibetans influenced and armed by cia agents there (documents regarding the deployment of cia agents in tibet after the "occupation" to arm locals against the central government was declassified recently), and many others perished in the harsh environment. Lastly to mad dog mo, tibet is not disneyland, tibetans do not live in mud houses and chant budhist sutras in monastries for you to enjoy. many wish to go to university, get a good job and live in houses with concrete walls and airconditioning.
17th July 2006

talking to tibetans
I understand the difficulty to talk to the Tibetans about their feelings. I had one monk come to me and ask me for a photo of the Dali Lama. after he explained the Dali Lama is good and China is... then he stomped his feet
18th July 2006

panchen lama
Ref the subject of panchen lama the Chinese freely admitted they were keeping him in custody 'for his own safety' shortly after he disappeared 11 years ago, but nothing has been heard of him since. Sorry guys!!- we seem to be taking over your blog!
19th July 2006

no problem
mad dog mo - we have no problem if our blog is used to debate Tibetan politics as long as you look at the rest of the blog and comment on that as well :)
25th July 2006

Hey, you guys. I read all your comments from the top the end. That really intrigues me. Currently I am in Saudi Arabia. From a Chinese's point of view, for the agument
10th March 2007

Waiting for your reply
These commnets are interesting. I am a Chinese living in Beijing. I never been to Tibet but a couple of my best friends in high school are from there and I always want to be there. The train to Tibet is good thing and bad thing for Tibatans. I think westerners have to understand Tibet in 50 years ago is still a slavery society. Landowner can buy and sell humans at that time. I hope Tibet can develop its own economy. Of course, the train rail is damaging the eniroment and the Tibetan society maybe loosing its orginial flavor, but I think at the end of the day, people have to admit building a train rail does benefit Tibet a lot. You can separate people one from another. It's the seperation causes hatride. This train will be a bridge between Tibetan and the rest of China. Also, China is a very diversed country. While white people sometimes discriminate black people, in China people don't think it that way. For example, I was bron as a Han people but many of my classmates are minorities. We get along well and really don't think ethincs is an issue.
11th March 2007

discrimination vs assimilation
Chinese (Han Chinese that is ....) are sometimes very blind to the fact that they force their culture on the minorities. After the minorities accept the Han culture (either by force or by the Chinese giving them a big "bear-hug")they are not discriminated upon. However, after this assimilation, there is not need for racial discrimination. The minorities are changed forever. I guess the train symbolizes the Han cultural invasion in Tibet. It is obvious how Lhasa is very different culturally then the rest of Tibet. Lhasa looks and feel like any mid size Chinese city. it's too bad that in order to gain economic benefits the Tibetans are forced to loose their identity

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