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To be or not to be gay while backpacking.

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The "Has Travel Really Broadened Your Mind" thread prompted me to wonder how open to be while traveling.
13 years ago, March 24th 2011 No: 21 Msg: #131949  
My best friend is gay and I know many gay friends and are yet to see any of them running around with handbags either. Is that really the stereotype? How small minded. Reply to this

13 years ago, March 25th 2011 No: 22 Msg: #131994  

Is that really the stereotype?


I think that might depend on where you are. It was certainly the stereotype where I worked in Toronto, Canada. Those guys could give even the shopaholic girls advice worth listening to. They dressed differently at night than day though. There was one guy who was highly amused that I could not figure out which of the girls I spoke with the night before was him.

Is homosexuality still illegal in India? As I remember, there was something in the news a few years ago, about some parts of India legalizing it, but some not.

Like Stacey, I say be careful about any displays of gayness including affection while in many countries, especially where it is illegal. At least you can easily hide being gay, unless you are a handbag carrier, while we cant hide being women. I think, most countries that are weird about gay people are also weird about women. I think, it has to do with being conservative, which goes with being prejudiced against all groups except the straight, male, pale... ones. So use their attitude towards women to assess how openmined they are about homosexuality. The women thing is easier to observe. Reply to this

13 years ago, March 26th 2011 No: 23 Msg: #132077  
That's an interesting point actually Mel. I'd never thought of it that way. Reply to this

12 years ago, September 6th 2011 No: 24 Msg: #142879  
I'm going travelling with girlfriend next year, hope fully to Thailand, Malaysia, Aus, NZ and USA. We weren't planning PDA in the first two but I was wondering if it would be frowned upon to book double rooms? or would they assume we're just friends trying to save money? Assuming we'll be fine everywhere else?!
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12 years ago, September 6th 2011 No: 25 Msg: #142881  
Hi Fran,

I don't think you have to worry in the least about booking double rooms for yourself and your girlfriend. I guess it would rather be frowned upon in some places if two men did it. But generally speaking, I'd say girls have more leeway in terms of being 'close to each other', like going to the bathroom together, sleeping in the same bed, etc. That said, in many Muslim countries it is not uncommon to see hetero men holding hands with other men, or putting their arms around each other, but it seems to be rarer with women there.

The only places I could imagine where you might potentially experience some discomfort, raised eyebrows or offensive comments would be in rural parts of the US or Australia, where rednecks/bogans abound. But if you feel unwelcome or denigrated, you can always stay somewhere else where you get a more tolerant reception 😊

Good luck!

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12 years ago, September 7th 2011 No: 26 Msg: #142896  
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I think you can book a share room no problem - in all of those countries. Unless you are really overt and out-there with expressions of mutual affection, it will be assumed that you are saving money - especially if you are backpacking, but even if you are suitcasing.
Jens has described the situations well for the various countries. I will add that you'll find Thailand very tolerant also of "innocent" hand-holding between same gender, but open displays of a more sensual nature will give offence ( though will rarely lead to actual comment) Reply to this

12 years ago, September 8th 2011 No: 27 Msg: #142921  
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If anyone gives you any lip, just say you're sisters or cousins. I've never even heard of a culture on this planet that would object to relatives sharing a room. Such a deception might be an ideological surrender, but a practical necessity.

Also, as a bona fide US redneck, I can assure you that while you may visit areas where you encounter overt distaste for your lifestyle, that is an individual expression and not representative of the entire group, or even the majority. Such areas are marked not by the dominance of this attitude, but in the willingness to propogate it. When you're in my town, I can promise you, ya'll are free to visit and live however you want!
[Edited: 2011 Sep 08 04:48 - Dag:162885 ]
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12 years ago, September 8th 2011 No: 28 Msg: #142944  
Thanks for the responses, I wasn't too worried about it but it's nice to have some reassurance! Reply to this

12 years ago, September 25th 2011 No: 29 Msg: #143900  
Well, to be honest, I'm gay.

My last trip was India, which was about 2-3 months. For me, it doesn't matter if you're gay or not. I think people already assume that I am gay, just that I don't make it public, and I don't find it necessary. There's a certain degree of tolerance in every country. What Mell said is true, some places/countries have minimal to zero tolerance when it comes to homosexuality.

I met a German traveler back in Varanasi, India. We started chatting after he noticed me from afar. He travelled extensively for 6 months from Europe to India by land/border crossing, and the only time he took a flight was from Dubai to Lahore. All of sudden, he brought up the issue of homosexuality in Iran; there are quite a number of gay scenes in Iran, and he said it was really interesting.

Of course, in Asia, people are more accepting towards homosexuality, although it is not advisable to show your affection with the same sex in public. This is where common sense comes in - unless you're in places like Silom in Thailand or Tanjong Pagar district in Singapore. Gay scene in Asia is really an interesting thing to see here.. although I'm getting sick of it! :P

Not all gay backpackers 'backpack across Europe'. At the end of the day, it's a matter of how you potray yourself as a traveler and not being 'gay'. As a matter of fact, you do get to meet interesting people while traveling and of course, you never know if that particular guy is gay too. Fingers crossed!

Hope this helps. Happy travel! Reply to this

12 years ago, September 26th 2011 No: 30 Msg: #143983  
It doesn't surprise me that there is an underground scene in Iran. When I was in Syria a few years ago, I met this Syrian man in the Aleppo souq - and we chatted about Australia (where he had visited). Anyway, we were sitting on some wooden stools in a shop and smoking a sheesha, when the following conversation ensued:

Fumbling his sheesha, he suggested: "When you are here, you should try some new experiences." His eyebrows raised at this comment.
I replied with a slight smirk, "You mean, a Syrian woman?"
He sucked on his sheesha, paused as the smoke drifted towards the ceiling as he uttered, "No, a Syrian man..."

I politely declined, saying that the former was far more appealing than the latter. We continued talking and he revealed that his boyfriend was Australian, and that he missed him very much. Still this didn't prevent him from commenting on the fact that he thought I had a nice arse. I replied that he was bold to make such a statement as we had only just met, and he laughed dismissively in return.

It was obvious that this shop was a contact point for homosexuals in Aleppo - and a few travellers came to the store to uncover the whereabouts or news of other like-minded travellers and locals. Though it is obviously illegal, there was still a freedom in the way they spoke and interacted with each other - so I suppose it is like most things in life - if you look hard enough, eventually you shall find.

Remember that men holding hands is not always considered sexual within the Middle East and even parts of the Indian sub-continent. I've seen it in Turkey, Syria, and Bangladesh to name a few. It is a sign of friendship.

When travelling, being covert instead of overt should be initial rule with any display of affection between couples, regardless of the gender. Once you are aware of local tolerances, then one can adjust behaviour accordingly. Reply to this

12 years ago, September 27th 2011 No: 31 Msg: #144049  
I agree with some of the above comments that you should be safe than sorry in certain countries like Uganda that have just passed a law making homosexuality illegal. I was there just before they passed the law and when we were in a village Ugandan school I am sure one of the teachers was gay but would never have outed him as his life would be in danger and he in turn was trying to be over macho. A sad situation, if only he could have been himself, he and the female staff would all have a better life. But unfortunately he had to hide himself for his own safety.
So for your own safety I think you need to be really careful how you act.

It's the same as woman travellers travelling around sensitive areas of the world. When I went to Kashmir as a slightly petulant teenager, the civil war was going strong and I met a couple travelling, the wife and I made sure to cover ourselves up and walk a few steps behind the man (her husband), obviously I wouldn't do this at home in Europe but to be safe, there I didn't bat an eyelid! To use that old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!"

On the other hand, there are parts of the world where you can totally be yourself, I bought a one way ticket to South America with a friend who was gay, and noone we met and travelled together was ever judgemental. In fact we ended up meeting all sorts of great people we might not have otherwise. We went to a gay club in Buenos Aires where we met a couple of brilliant Uruguayan guys whom we ended up staying with when we did get there and ended up hanging out with the gay community in Uruguay, we barely met a straight person in Uruguay!

So it all depends where you go to how you should act but that covers many areas. Following the customs of the country you are in whether you agree with them or not, sometimes out of respect and sometimes out of sheer survival skills.

Whatever you do, go, travel and have fun!!!! Reply to this

12 years ago, September 30th 2011 No: 32 Msg: #144225  
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I actually hate admitting this but many Aussie men in particular are still homophobic especially about PDAs. My partner shocked me when he came and grabbed my arm to point out there were two gay french guys in the chalet next to us in Ao Nang...I had no idea he was homophobic. These guys were lovely people, did not do any PDAs and by the end of their stay were people we had a lovely meal with. However..back in Aus...if you do have any flings with guys I would steer away from PDAs particularly in nightclub zones unless you find the gay friendly areas like Darlinghurst (im assuming darlinghurst is still gay?) in Sydney. Here in WA the scene is very underground really still to this day, theres connections nightclub and a couple of pubs in the inner city suburbs but its still pretty hidden. The Northbridge bogan set would single out gay guys or girls if given the chance. So I would be yourself, minus any PDAs and I think letting your accomodation know discretely would be a good idea.

Have a huge amount of fun here - we are nice people, just some of us are stuck in the 1950s!

Happy Travels 😊 Reply to this

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