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Itinerary for 4 week US holiday - Help please!

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Opinions/Advice for my 4 week Itinerary
10 years ago, July 25th 2013 No: 1 Msg: #173315  
N Posts: 19
Hi,
I am hoping you can give me your opinions/advice on the following itinerary I have designed for a trip to the USA in Sept/Oct 2013. Any comments would be appreciated.. e.g. are we tackling too much, best mode of transport to/from and around the destinations, must see's at each place etc. Nothing in this itinerary is set in stone yet so can change anything 😊

As a way of a background... Myself and boyfriend travelling, mid 20's, first time to USA, not big party-goers, specific interests include: good food, wildlife, music, comedy, theatre, pretty scenery

Arrive LAX 10th Sept
Los Angeles - Hollywood, Beverley Hills, Santa Monica Beach, Venice Beach, Universal Studios (2 nights)
Bus or Plane to Las Vegas - with helicopter ride to Grand Canyon (2 nights)
Bus or Plane to Newport/Laguna Beach - Disneyland and beaches (3 nights)
PICK UP HIRE CAR - drive from Newport to SF have allowed two overnight stops, thinking Santa Barbara/Cambria and Monterey...??? (2 nights)
SF - Alcatraz, Golden Gate Bridge, Fishermans Wharf, Chinatown (4 nights) not sure what to do with rental car here as i heard parking is ultra expensive
Drive from SF to Yosemite - (2 nights)
Drive back to SF - DROP OFF HIRE CAR
Fly to Memphis or Nashville or Dallas (2 nights)
Fly to Washington DC - Whitehouse, Smithsonians (2 nights)
Train or fly to NYC - explore Manhattan, Brooklyn etcccc (7 nights)
Train or fly to Boston - Harvard Uni, History (2 nights)

Thanks everyone 😊 Reply to this

10 years ago, July 25th 2013 No: 2 Msg: #173323  
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Liv,
Welcome to Travelblog! Your itinerary looks very nice, with lots of great areas. Its also fast paced in the first part, which means you'll see lots of stuff but won't have much time at each one. You'll also spend lots of time on transport. Many people have done trips like this and enjoyed them; it all depends on the type of experience you want.

Some specifics (apologies for the length):
1. The current itinerary goes from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and back to the Los Angeles area. It also puts you in Las Vegas on a weekend, when hotel rates are 35% higher than during the week. You'll save transport time and budget by seeing Las Vegas first. Make sure you can get a Grand Canyon flight from Las Vegas during the week that time of year, though.
2. Las Vegas production shows are amazing. Cirque du Soilel is a must see. If you are willing to see a less-popular production (Mysterie instead of O, for example) the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Bureau runs a service that sells last minute tickets at high discounts (up to 50%!)
3. Los Angeles is a truly vast metropolis, hundreds and hundreds of square miles. This makes for very long transport times. Downtown to Hollywood, for example, is over an hour, and to Santa Monica can take four or more on a bus.
4. Universal Studios is a theme park with a studio tour attached. As a theme park, its great and a nice complement to Disneyland. To actually learn about movie making, Paramount or Warner Brothers are much better (Paramount is easier to get to without a car, FYI). Both now have extensive security checks, so reserve as far in advance as possible.
5. Seeing Disneyland while staying sane requires extensive planning. The lines are very long. If at all possible, visit during the week. Seeing everything, incidentally, will require three full days.
6. Renting a car in Newport means dealing with Los Angeles traffic. The city is so huge it can't be avoided. The expressways have a minimum of six lanes each way, and the local roads often have three or four. Trying to find a rental in Santa Monica may be a better bet, since you can directly hop on the Pacific Coast Highway. The other option is to fly or take the train to Santa Barbara and pick up the car there.
7. Three days for LA to San Francisco is really pushing it, especially if you like natural scenery. It can certainly be done, but all you'll do is watch through the car windows. Big Sur is one of the greatest scenic areas in the world. At a minimum, take the time to hike to McWay falls (under an hour) and stop at the numerous pullouts.
8. For wildlife, visit Port Lobos Reserve south of Monterrey. Allocate at least a few hours. For even more, visit the Monterrey Bay Aquarium, one of the best in the world.
9. If you have the flexibility, I would swap Yosemite and San Francisco. This neatly avoids the parking problem.
10. Lodging reservations for Yosemite need to be made immediately, as in as soon as you read this. They sell out within weeks or even hours. Unless you are camping, expect to pay high rates inside the park.
11. Fisherman's Warf is fun, but also a huge tourist trap. The city's history museums are much better.
12. Alcatraz tickets need to be bought at least a week in advance.
13. If you can find the time, a visit to a redwood park is a transcendent experience. These are the tallest trees in the world and among the oldest. Muir Woods is closest to San Francisco and can be done in a day.
14. Memphis has the history of Rock and Roll, plus Elvis. Nashville has incredible country shows and music history. Both are much better than Dallas. Memphis can be seen without a car.
15. Currently, Washington DC has only two days. Depending on how much you like them, the museums alone could take a week. Unless you want to see lots of Broadway shows (which get expensive fast), I would drop a day or two in New York to get more time in DC.
16. Unless you have your heart set on a specific show, last minute day-of-show Broadway tickets can be bought from the TKTS booth in Time Square for 50% off or more.
17. For transport, California is stereotyped as the state of the convertible, but for a reason. The weather is warm, and not having a roof shows off the incredible scenery. I have always found driving one worth the extra rental cost.

Your trip will be an incredible experience. Please remember to blog it. Reply to this

10 years ago, July 26th 2013 No: 3 Msg: #173331  
N Posts: 19

In response to: Msg #173323

Hi Roosta! Thanks for your feedback and all of the advice!! Please don't apologise for the length, that just means i get to reply the same length and sneak in a heap of questions haha! I have done a bit of thinking and I think 2 nights in most places is pushing it.. i am going to have to drop atleast 1 destination to free up some time. Any suggestions?? I really can't decide 😞

1. Thanks for this tip - i have addressed this issue in number 5
2. Would love to see Cirque de Soilel - thanks
3. Hmm that sounds terrible!! So much time wasted in traffic. How else can you get around all of the attractions though?
4. Ah yes i am more interested in the movie making side of things so perhaps give Universal Studios a miss and go to Paramount or Warner Bros instead?
5. If we want to see Disneyland and Las Vegas during the week i am not sure how we can make that work. We arrive at LAX on the Tuesday, maybe we head straight down to Newport/Anaheim for 3 nights then back up to LA for 2 nights which brings us to Sunday-Tues in Vegas? Then from Vegas we could fly directly to Santa Barbara to pick up the car? Is that too much going back and forward or does that sound better than the original plan?
6. I see what you are saying and think this makes good sense, i will look into somehow getting us to Santa Barbara, hopefully its not too expensive.
7. Hmm... this doesn't sound very good, maybe we need to add another night somewhere along the coast? Where would you suggest?
8. Thanks for that tip - i have never heard of it, will have to look it up!
9. Can't believe i didn't think of this myself - thank you! That solves that!! Will i miss much if i cut away from the coast at Monterey?
10. OOOOOh dear!! I need to get the plan sorted then so i can organise our accommodation..... do you know where the best place to book is?
11. thanks!
12. thanks!
13. Already heard about the Redwoods, would love to see them - will try for Muir Woods
14. Thanks for eliminating Dallas, i was leaning most towards Nashville as i enjoy country music above the others, but you suggested that Memphis may be easiest without a car? This is definitely worth taking into consideration if that is the case.
15. I see what you are saying about the museums, my boyfriend doesn't have the longest attention span and i think would get bored at the museums if we were there much longer than a couple of days. But we could possibly up it to 3 nights...
16. Thanks for that tip. I have a few different shows i would like to see, but doesn't really matter which one, i will try the ticket booths in Times Square. Reply to this

10 years ago, July 26th 2013 No: 4 Msg: #173335  
If you're already driven up the coast from L.A through Big Sur to Monterey, you'll have already seen the most dramatic coastline views (in our opinion). In fact when we had gotten to that point after driving up Hwy101, we wanted a break from the curvy roads and cut inland anyhow.

I would also recommend that you take a bus or train between D.C/NYC/Boston. You'll save so much time and hassle not dealing with the airports, and trains run regularly, quickly and fairly cheaply throughout that entire Northeastern corridor.

As for the Vegas/Disneyland weekend dilemma - ultimately, you have to pick your battles when traveling. I would opt for the itinerary that reduces your transit time the most. Otherwise you're trading lines of crowds for lines of traffic. There are several websites out there dedicated specifically to planning a Disney trip/how to reduce time in lines/etc so if you end up there on a weekend - you can still manage 😊

And yes - book Yosemite immediately if you want to stay in the park. Your options will probably be limited - here's the website to the park accommodations. We've stayed in Currey Village (the more "economy" of Yosemite accommodations) and it is basic, but decent.

If you want to stay mostly towards the strip of Nashville and the waterfront, you can get by without a car and can arrange for a cab if there are places elsewhere you want to visit. The city you choose will also depend on which airline you fly. Either way - you'll be in for some good music and good barbeque (which varies regionally - so try different types in different parts of the country!) Reply to this

10 years ago, July 27th 2013 No: 5 Msg: #173371  
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In response to: Msg #173331
Liv,
Cutting down a destination list is one of the most heartbreaking things a traveler ever does. I always hate doing it. Its been rewarding, though, by having more time to experience each place I did see. Unfortunately, we can't help much with which destination(s) to drop, because it depends entirely on your interests. Make a list of everything in priority order (thinking about what you would skip if the trip was shorter is one way of doing this) and how many days each takes up. It should suggest answers.
Personally, I would trim a day or two in New York (currently listed at seven) in order to get more time in California. However, I prioritize spectacular outdoor scenery over an intense urban experience, and for you it may be completely different.

Some more specifics:
1. Expect to get jetlag after the long overseas flight. This means on the first day you may not be able to do very much.
2. On Disneyland, sorry I missed the days of week in the itenerary. At least one day has to be a weekend. The saving grace is that it will be in September, when the crowds are a little more tolerable than during the summer. The itenerary that minimizes travel time is Las Vegas on Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday (you'll likely need half of Tuesday for jet lag recovery, and part of Thursday for travel to Anaheim), Friday and Saturday in Disneyland, Sunday and Monday in the rest of Los Angeles, pick up the car on Tuesday.
3. The best way to minimize travel time in Los Angeles is through careful planning and selecting sights that cluster together on different days. The current list does this, one group in Hollywood/Beverly Hills and another in Santa Monica/Venice Beach. Pick a lodging in one of those areas. I've seen blogs from people who stayed in hostels in Hollywood and enjoyed it, so that may be the spot. Plus, it can be reached from the airport by subway (its not straightforward, though).
4. The only effective way to see Beverly Hills without a private vehicle (especially where the stars live) is a guided tour. There are many of them, ranging from highly informative and entertaining to practially worthless. In general, the more touts a tour has in Hollywood, the worse the tour! Reserve one before leaving home.
5. I took the Warner Brothers studio tour and absolutely loved it, but its also far out of the way given the other stuff you want to see. Paramout is located in Hollywood, so that is likely the better bet.
6. Big Sur does not have many lodging options, unless you want to camp (I did that on my trip). Pfiffer Big Sur state park has a nice historic lodge from the 1930s, which is probably the best bet.
7. The coast between Monterrey and San Francisco isn't that interesting. It has a really good beach town (Santa Cruz) and some redwood parks that pale next to Muir Woods. You won't miss that much by skipping it.
8. Plan on taking one day in San Francisco to do nothing but relax and possibly wander through the city. Without it, you'll get hit by fatigue by the time you reach New York.
9. For Nashville/Memphis, keep in mind that you will be flying east, so the clock moves ahead crossing time zones. You will effectively lose half a day on transport getting there, and another half-day getting to Washington DC.
10. If you're not big museum goers, Washington DC can be done in two full days. Arlington National Cemetary (a must see) and the memorials will take up one, and some government buildings and a Smithsonian museum or two will take up the other.
11. The White House is currently closed to tours thanks to security concerns. It has a visitor's center with pictures of the interior, or just look through the security fence. The Capitol (our Parliament) is currently open on guided tours, which are well worth taking. Book as far in advance as possible, and be prepared for stringent security checks.

Look forward to the blogs 😊 Reply to this

10 years ago, July 30th 2013 No: 6 Msg: #173473  
Hello Liv and welcome to travel blog!

We are so excited for you. You are going to have a wonderful time.

We can't wait to read your blogs.

You've already been given some great information. We will attempt to give other suggestions and not be too repetitive.

In our opinion you are taking on too much. The trip you've outlined is going to be expensive. We don't want to be a downer but want to provide you accurate information so you don't get here and have some surprises. We don't want you disappointed in your trip.

You will have an awesome time.

Examples:
Car rental because of your age could be at least $300 a week.
Gasoline cost about $4 per gallon
Tickets to Alcatraz $38
Tickets to Monterey Aquarium $35
Disneyland Tickets $90
Cirque du Soleil (well worth the money) $75 to $200 each depending on the performance.
Flight from SF to Memphis $200 - $300 per person one way.

If you decide to stay in Monterey check out the America's Best Hotel chain. We stayed there last year and it was very reasonable.

Our basic rule is to spend a minimum of three nights in each location. When you spend less time you don't really have time to look around. Any major city needs a minimum of 5 to 7 days.

Please give Washington DC more time. It is an amazing city, one of our favorites and there is so much to see.

All of the American cities have great comedy clubs and music venues. You will enjoy them.


To hire a car in the U.S. one of you will have to be 25 years old.

We understand wanting to do and see everything since this is your first trip to the U.S. but it won't be your last. Our recommendation is that you pick the east coast or the west coast for your first trip.

You could do NYC, Boston, DC, and Memphis and or Nashville.
You could do LA, all the coastal towns, SF, Las Vegas, Yosemite.


Good luck with your plans.
We'll be happy to answer additional questions.

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10 years ago, August 1st 2013 No: 7 Msg: #173574  
N Posts: 19

In response to: Msg #173473

Thanks for all of your advice.

We run petrol by litres not gallons, how long would you suggest a gallon will last? We are hiring a toyota corolla, so it wont be a gas guzzler.

My boyfriend is 25 so the car will be going in his name and we wont have to pay extra fees which is good.

Being our first time to the US you are spot on - we want to see and do as much as possible, however I get your point about 3 nights minimum. We have re-jigged the itinerary somewhat and have taken out 2 destinations. Let me know what you think of my new itinerary 😊 Reply to this

10 years ago, August 1st 2013 No: 8 Msg: #173575  
N Posts: 19

In response to: Msg #173371

Hi again Roosta!

Thanks again for all of your advice.

The itinierary now looks considerably different to what it did before... let me know what you think.

9th Sept - Fly into LA and directly up to SFO - 4 nights
13th Sept - Pick up hire car and drive down the coast first stop Monterey - 1 night
14th Sept - unsure what area to stay in?? Thinking about Cambria? - 1 night
15th Sept - Santa Barbara - 1 night
16th Sept - LA (after some research i would like to stay in the Hollywood area, I'm unsure whether to drop off hire car on first day in LA or to keep it until after Newport Beach or drive it all the way to Vegas, does anyone know if car parking in LA is pricey? And also if hotels usually provide parking?) - 4 nights
20th Sept - Newport Beach - 2 nights (thinking about doing 1 day to Disneyland but unsure if this is realistic??)
22nd Sept - Las Vegas - 3 nights (including helicopter ride to Grand Canyon)
25th Sept - Fly to Cody, Wyoming and pick up hire car and drive to Yellowstone (have had a look and there is still accommodation here thankfully!!) - 3 nights
28th Sept - Drive car back to Cody and fly to Washington DC - 3 nights
1st Oct - Train to NYC - 7 nights
8th Oct - Fly NYC - home 😞

I have taken out Nashville & Boston to give us more time in most places. Do you all think this is a more realistic itinerary? Is there still things you would change about it? One of my thoughts is taking 1 night off NYC and putting it into Yellowstone. Another thought is to get rid of the 2 nights at Newport Beach and put them in to LA and just do day trips to Disneyland and to see the Newport Beach area...

The flight into San Fran on 9th Sept has been booked and the flight leaving NYC on the 8th Oct has been booked, everything else is flexible, however i want to book accommodation in the next few days so really need it locked in.

Thanks everyone 😊 Reply to this

10 years ago, August 1st 2013 No: 9 Msg: #173576  
Hi Liv,

Oh yes, this is much more realistic. You will have a fantastic time and actually get to see some things.

Happy travels and we can't wait to read your blogs.

Take a look at these.

The Clams man, the clams.

The L.A. Connection

Naked Napa and other Gems of Northern California this one has Monterey in it.

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10 years ago, August 1st 2013 No: 10 Msg: #173577  
Much more realistic! Even though the music scene in Tennessee is good (we currently live in Kentucky, so have to have regional pride!) that stop-over would have really made for an exhausting trip.

If you're big into the outdoors, I would give yourself another day in Yellowstone. Because you'll spend most of the first/last day getting into the park from Cody, 3 nights gives you two full days in the park. The park is HUGE - bigger some a couple entire states - so if you want to hike or explore all the different regions you'll be glad of the extra time. It could take at least an hour to get from wherever you're staying to the trail-head, for instance.

Granted, there is lots to see in NYC as well but in many ways - if you've seen one major metropolitan city you've seen the all. Yellowstone, however, is a unique geologic area, and not easily replicated elsewhere in the world.

A gallon of gas will get you about 30 miles in a Toyota Corolla. ~3.75L to a gallon
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10 years ago, August 1st 2013 No: 11 Msg: #173584  
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In response to: Msg #173575
Liv,
Its definitely more realistic, although there are still spots that are time pressed, Yellowstone in particular.

Yellowstone is a huge park, larger than some states, with a big variety of things to do and see. It requires three full days at a realistic pace to hit most of the highlights, and even more is preferable. Less than that requires either far too much driving time or being highly selective (picking either the northern or southern half, typically).

The park has high elevation (over a mile) so the weather starts to get nasty by late September. Its going to be cold, and you may see minor snowfall. The first big snow closes most of the roads. Most years it happens in mid-October but in a bad year it could happen in late September. I wouldn't be dissuaded by this, but do prepare for it. On the plus side lots of wildlife will be out, and the elk mating rut takes place that time of year.

My personal preference would be to skip Newport Beach to get extra time in Yellowstone, unless Disneyland is a must-see. For me, one southern California beach town feels like another after a while. This likely won't match your experience, though.

Some more specifics:
1. Pick up the hire car as early as possible, in order to maximize time in Monterrey. Getting there from SF will require several hours depending on traffic levels.
2. Booking a car from a branch away from the airport will save significantly on fees.
3. Cambria is a good stop. If its sold out, try Moro Bay and San Luis Obispo.
4. Keeping the car in LA involves some big tradeoffs. On the one hand, the city is so spread out that you'll be able to get places much easier than the buses. On the other hand, you'll need to deal with multi-lane highways (even local roads!), unbelievable traffic, and parking hassles.
5. Hotel parking in LA depends on the property. Some have it for free, many charge for it, some don't have it. Some hostels are actually old hotels and have it too. Paid parking tends to be expensive in Hollywood since its such a tourist area. Its even more expensive in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica.
6. A one-day visit to Disneyland is expensive (~ $140/person for ticket, parking, and food!) and will be limited to highlights thanks to the crowds. If you want to try it, stay near the park the night before so you can be in line before the gates open (otherwise you'll see much less).
7. Las Vegas to Yellowstone will chew up an entire day. Cody is a small airport without many flights, so you'll almost certainly have a connection. Jackson WY may have cheaper or more convenient flights, and its about the same distance to Yellowstone.
8. Yellowstone to DC will chew up an entire day for the same reason, plus the three hours you'll gain from the time zone change.
9. Gas in both California and Yellowstone is expensive, nearly $4/gallon. In both mountain and city driving, the miles per gallon drops. I got around 20/gallon in my Toyota Solara. That works out to $0.20 per mile of gas cost.
10. I noticed you mentioned a Toyota Corolla in California. Unless cost is truly a deciding factor, I still recommend renting a convertible instead. Big Sur is one of the greatest drives in the world, and a convertible will show it off in a way a regular car can't match. Here's a taste:
Who knew the ocean breeze would be so cold?
California Cabriolet Cruise!!!!
Iconic Highway 1
California Coast and Open Road -- shameless blog promo

Looking forward to the blogs 😊
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10 years ago, August 2nd 2013 No: 12 Msg: #173626  
N Posts: 19

In response to: Msg #173584

Hi Roosta!

I have changed the itinerary slightly and now have 3 nights in LA and 4 nights in Yellowstone 😊 I am happy with this.

All of our internal flights are booked now.

I am still trying to decide whether to keep the car all the way from SFO to Vegas or to drop it off on our first day in LA. All of the articles i read on trip advisor recommends having your own car as it will save so much time getting from a to b. The car hire is not expensive, but i am worried about parking fees etc. Reply to this

10 years ago, August 2nd 2013 No: 13 Msg: #173628  
Parking will cost you a fair amount but will save you a lot of time.
You'll have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages. Reply to this

10 years ago, August 2nd 2013 No: 14 Msg: #173634  
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In response to: Msg #173626
Liv,
I've driven in LA before. Having a car is certainly a huge help, because the city is so spread out. I never had a problem finding parking, except in Hollywood, but it can be quite expensive. Several websites claim to list parking rates, although none are official (New York City, by contrast, has an official parking site).
The other thing to worry about is the traffic. If you have never driven in a big city before, it will be downright frightening. Imagine the map shows you need to make a left on the next road, and you need to cross three lanes of traffic in roughly 100 meters with people moving all around you. In LA, this happens all the time. The freeways are even worse, especially any time between 8 AM and 7 PM. I mastered it, but it wasn't fun. Reply to this

10 years ago, August 11th 2013 No: 15 Msg: #173966  
Liv,

If you are near San Francisco on a weekend we'd love to meet you if you have the time. Send us a private message if you have the time. Reply to this

10 years ago, August 12th 2013 No: 16 Msg: #173990  
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In response to: Msg #173966

We are in SFO from Monday-Friday unfortunately 😞 Reply to this

10 years ago, September 4th 2013 No: 17 Msg: #174747  
Hi Liv,

Everything seems to be sorted so far.. so have a happy journey! Expect to get your reviews while on move too. If you wish to explore some real excitement on the trip do consider these unique places too.

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10 years ago, September 12th 2013 No: 18 Msg: #174950  
Hi,

Good luck for your journey, hope you would explore new and unique places there . there are some places to visit most there like California, american Samoa, Alaska. Florida and many more.

Travelling guides can help you in arranging your trip so i better suggest you to hire an travelling guide. <snip>

Regards
Miranda


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