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Advice on my first SLR

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I am hoping to buy my first DSLR but wold like advice on which to get - there are so many to choose from!
13 years ago, December 16th 2010 No: 1 Msg: #124853  
I am interested in upgrading my camera to a DSLR. I currently use a canon Powershot S5IS and also have a smaller canon point and shoot.
I want an SLR I can improve my photography with. I want to be able to get my head around it now; but I don't want to find myself limited in a few years; I can't afford to change cameras every few years.
I really like my current camera. It is fantastic when travelling; with a 12X zoom I can take a photo of a scene and in seconds zoom in to get some detail. It also has a super-macro function and I have got some nice shots of flowers and insects.
I don't want to lose this versatility,however obviously a point and shoot has many limitations which is my reason for wanting to upgrade. Are there SLRs with basic lenses capable of focusing at different lengths like this? I had a play with a friend's new SLR and couldn't believe how limited the focusing range was. Obviously there are additional lenses but it will take time and money to get these and also when travelling I have got many good pictures because I've been able to just flick on the camera and zoom straight in.
I don't want to spend more than about £600 and I am thinking of keeping to canon cameras because my previous ones have been so reliable with easy-to-follow menu systems and so on.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated. 😊 Thanks.
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13 years ago, December 16th 2010 No: 2 Msg: #124860  
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I wouldn't necessarly think of an SLR as an upgrade. It's a different type of tool. Think of a P&S as a multi-tool and an SLR as a toolbox full of different equipment. It's bigger and heavier and you have to keep dipping into the toolbox every time you change tasks. However, you don't see carpenters and mechanics doing everything with a multi-tool, because they are specializing in particular tasks and have amassed a collection of tools that allow them to perform those tasks easier and more efficiently. It's the same with photography.

With that analogy in mind, if you are focusing on a particular task (eg. low light photography, shallow DOF portraiture, faster shutter button response), then an SLR will allow you to exploit more efficient tools to achieve these. If you are happy with your P&S and just have a sense that an SLR is going to make everything a little bit better, you will probably be disappointed.

In a very basic sense, zoom range and wide aperture are competing factors in a lens. A large zoom range generally entails a smaller aperture and vice versa. Two of the main areas that SLRs excel in are related to a wide aperture. Aperture is the f/x number on the lens. It's a fraction, so the lower the number the bigger the aperture. A lens with a large aperture is called "fast" because it lets in much more light. Manufacturing a lens with both a wide aperture and long zoom range is an engineering nightmare. Since SLR-users tend to prefer wide aperture, the zoom range of most SLR lenses is much smaller than a P&S.

For your more specific questions, there are small aperture super-zoom lenses in the ranges of 18-200/250mm offered by most manufacturers. To me though, this is replacing a quality multi-tool with a larger and heavier multi-tool. These lenses are slow (ie have a smaller maximum aperture), which limits both low-light and shallow DOF capabilities. The faster lenses have a shorter zoom range, and the fastest lenses are fixed focal length (called prime lenses, for some reason), so you do end up changing lenses. They are LESS versatile in terms of zoom range, but MORE versatile in terms of DOF and low light photography. So it's not a matter of less or more versatile, it's a matter of deciding where you want the versatility to be, which of course depends on what you want to do. For a lot of people, the ability to change lenses in order to use a specialty tool for the task at hand is the biggest benefit to an SLR, not a detraction.

I'm not saying all this to discourage you from getting an SLR, but to make sure you know they aren't a magic better camera just because they're a bit larger and more expensive. You mention that your P&S has some obvious limitations. What are they specifically? When have you been unable to take a picture with it that you think you would have with an SLR? For instance, have you wanted to blur the background more than you can with your P&S? Have you taken a lot of pictures in the evening shade that turned out badly? Have you missed a lot of action shots because the camera waited half a second to take the picture after you pressed the shutter button? Have you been unable to get the shutter speed up fast enough to stop motion in sports shots? Have you found the noise level unacceptible in high ISO shots? Have you found a lot of blown out areas in shots that have both shadow and sky? I got my first DSLR because I wanted to take street pictures at night. Even my zoom lenses on the SLR aren't good for this: I typically have to use a 24 or 35mm prime lens, with aperture wide open, and set to a very high ISO. The ability to switch to these fast lenses and set a higher ISO represents a versatility that a P&S lacks.

I have Canon brand DSLRs too, but in all reality, I think all the major manufacturers have excellent entry-level offerings. Go to a store and check out the feel and button layout of the cameras, because this is where they really differ. Most of them come with a kit lens that is equivalent to kinda-wide to kinda-mid (18-55 in a 1.5 or 1.6 crop factor, 14-42 in a 4/3rds system). This is nowhere near the range you have in your P&S, but the low light and shallow DOF you can get with it is vastly (VASTLY) better. The cost of these entry level kits is generally within your range, although if you add a super-zoom it will be more expensive. Reply to this

13 years ago, December 17th 2010 No: 3 Msg: #124886  
WOW! Thank you for such a long detailed answered! It's really very helpful. My main problems with the current camera, as you rightly guessed, is no real ability to take good photos at nighttime, indoors or in poor lighting. My camera does offer manual functions and as long as I have a flat surface to rest the camera on and am prepared to fiddle around on photoshop afterwards I can do it, but they are never really good quality. High ISO is very poor with lots of image noise. Sports, moving animals or vehicles - nope, they are always partially blurred.
My love for my camera mostly comes from it being one easy thing round my neck to just flick on, and of course have a good zoom range. I have bought a wide angle lens for the Powershot but it is not fantastic and bizarrely prevents me from being able to use my flash, even though it was the lens designed to go with the camera. :S
Do you have any idea how the compact zooms 10X, 12X zooms equate to the 'mm' lens measurements?
Thank you so much for the long informative answer! It's very kind of you to take the time. Reply to this

13 years ago, December 17th 2010 No: 4 Msg: #124896  
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Hi Anna,

Lens equivalencies is a somewhat complicated issue, because the size of the sensor alters your apparent field of view, and sensors come in many different sizes. In a somewhat half-hearted attempt to simplify the issue, most (all?) camera and lens manufacturers use the 35mm film camera size as a frame of reference. All P&S's will have a "35mm equivalent" rating somewhere on the lens in or in the documentation. DSLR's will have a crop factor, expressed as something like 1.5 (Nikon entry-level cameras) or 1.6 (Canon entry-level cameras). You multiply this by the focal length of the lens to get the apparent field of view (all SLR lenses are given in 35mm equivalents). So for example, the Nikon 18-55 has a 35mm equivalent of 27-83mm (multiply each number by 1.5), which is an extremely useful range, going from fairly wide to medium long.

The 12x etc is a ratio of widest angle to longest angle and can't be converted to absolute mm ratings. For example, a 10x could be 24-240 or 30-300 or 35-350. What you want to find in the camera's documentation is 35mm equivalent. Armed with this and the DSLR crop factor, you can convert everything to 35mm equivalent and compare it that way. Once you settle into a DSLR you can forget about all this conversion rubbish, and just remember how a scene looks through your camera's eyepiece.

Canon offers two excellent starting lenses for their Rebel series of camera bodies: the 18-55 and 55-250mm. Together, they give you an equivalent focal length range of 29-400mm (multiplying by the Canon crop factor of 1.6). The Canon 18-200 lens does almost the same thing in one lens, but it's much heavier and more expensive than these two lenses combined. Bear in mind that I'm not trying to recommend Canon over the other manufacturers. I'm just more familiar with their offerings. I imagine the rest all have similar offerings. Reply to this

13 years ago, December 19th 2010 No: 5 Msg: #124971  
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Having spent 4 years using my S3iS on a nearly daily basis, earlier this year I switched to a DSLR (Canon 50D) after going through much the same process as you're going through now. Though I have by no means mastered my DSLR, I've used it enough to know that there's still a place in my life for my S3iS - it really depends on the situation and what I intend doing with the pictures.

Buying a DSLR in some ways means that you have to relearn your approach to photography. You mention that you couldn't believe the limited focus range on your friend's camera, and that's a great example of a difference between a P&S and a DSLR - the 35mm-equivalent focal length range of the S5iS is 36-432mm but you won't get a DSLR lens that will cover that. I have quite a common pair of lenses (17-55mm (=27-88mm when you take the 1.6 crop factor into account) and 70-200mm (=112-320mm with the crop factor taken into account)), which gives me a little extra on the short end but is still some way off on the long end, when compared with the S5iS. You'd need a third lens to mimic the (excellent) Supermacro facility on the S5iS.

What will probably horrify you even more is that the DSLR lenses that give the best results are so-called prime lenses, which have a fixed focal length, i.e. there is no zoom capability whatsoever. The reason for this is that a zoom lens actually contains many pieces of glass - there are 16 "elements" in my 70-200mm, for example. The more elements, the more scope for reflections etc off the various glass surfaces, which will compromise the final image quality. So the simplest lenses will give the best results, and a simple lens means a prime lens.

In practice, having a smaller zoom range than you get with a P&S (or having no zoom at all) means you have to learn to move your feet in order to get the shot you want. You also need to get used to changing over lenses on your camera body, though a general walkaround lens (such as the 17-55mm) can help limit that. A DSLR will seem like hard work compared to a P&S!

Another difference is that, on your P&S, what you see on the LCD before you take the shot is generally pretty similar to what the picture will look like. On most DSLRs, you have to use the viewfinder and what you see through that is essentially what your eye sees - it is NOT what the camera will take. Thus if you have the aperture/speed/ISO/etc set up incorrectly, the scene might look fine through the viewfinder but the picture itself will be rubbish - you will only notice this when you review the picture after taking it. Obviously you can shoot in Auto mode so that the camera makes all the parameter decisions, but my point is that you can't rely on the LCD in the same way that you can on a P&S. Some DSLRs have functionality (e.g. LiveView on Canons) that enables you to see what the camera will take (i.e. similar to on a P&S) but it's a big battery drain.

So why does it make sense to have a camera body and three lenses, weighing a couple of kilos, to (not quite) cover the focal range of your lightweight P&S? The answer of course is that, when used properly, you can get much better results out of your DSLR than you get out of your P&S. As mentioned in the previous posts, DSLRs can help address the P&S weaknesses of poor high ISO performance, shutter lag, low dynamic range, etc, not to mention lens issues such as chromatic aberration, fringing, distortion, etc. This is possible because DSLRs have larger, better sensors, and the lenses are not only better made but are generally not trying to be jack-of-all-trades lenses. The trade-off is in size, weight, convenience, and cost (!)

I would advise going with Canon or Nikon. Together, they account for about 75% of global DSLR sales. Though that in itself isn't a reason to buy them, it does mean that if you need advice then there will be more people familiar with your camera body and lenses than if you choose, say, Pentax or Sony or one of the other brands. Similarly, there is a more mature second hand market for Canon and Nikon products. As to the differences between Canon and Nikon cameras/lenses, you could spend the next 10 years reading forums about which is "best", but it's probably a better use of your time to simply go to a camera shop and play around with some of the models. For models in the same price bracket, you are unlikely to find enormous technical differences so your decision may well come down simply to ergonomics.

Most DSLR manufacturers try to make their lenses compatible with all their bodies - both their current and historical ranges. This means that when you're deciding what to spend your money on, you should always skew more towards the lenses than the body. A rubbish lens won't give you a good picture on even the most expensive of bodies, but a decent lens will give good results on a cheap body. As you progress further in photography, you can then upgrade your body but still retain your old lenses.

My experience has been that there are many situations when I simply can't be bothered lugging my DSLR around with me, which is why my P&S still gets plenty of outings. The vast majority of my photos aren't used for anything other than showing friends/family what I've been up to, so the improved quality that I can get with my DSLR isn't critical. The best photos require being in the right place at the right time, as well as framing the shot correctly, so frankly the equipment you have is secondary, but a DSLR will give you a significant technical edge over a P&S. I've found that getting used to my DSLR has meant I've learned a heck of a lot more about optics and lens physics, which is all useful background too. Don't expect to make the change to a DSLR without encountering some frustration along the way, but if you can push through that then you should get some better pictures at the end. Reply to this

13 years ago, December 25th 2010 No: 6 Msg: #125320  
Hi Anna,
Can only agree with Dag and warmly recommend Canon who offers quite a warm range of products and quite important when you travel a lot an excellent after sale service. Just got the latest EOS (550D) and it is a pure jewel...simply change your approach to photography! All the best with the shopping and looking forward reading your next adventures! Reply to this

13 years ago, February 2nd 2011 No: 7 Msg: #127999  
Hey Anna

We can completely understand your dilema as we travelled with a Canon power shot S5is to and the convenience of the super zoom and built in super macro worked well for some tough backpacking. As you say though night shots and wildlife could some times prove its weakness and noise was a major problem. So when we returned we looked into purchasing a DSLR. After many months of research and playing around with different types of cameras we still felt that the DSLRs were a bit to bulky for the type of travel we liked even though the image quality was exactly what we was looking for. Then we stumbled onto the compact system cameras and these seem to fit the bill, with the 4/3s sensor and small interchangeable lenses, very lightweght and high picture quality the choice was made.

We told a friend we was going to purchase a panasonic lumix G1 and he told us to hold on a few months as Sony was releasing a compact system camera with a CMOS sensor which basically means it has the same sensor as the bulky DSLRs but in a very small body then we found out it shot 7fps had 1080hd movie and a very high ISO which was better than any of the mid range DSLRs at the time so we waited.

We have now owned a Sony NEX 5 for a few months and we have to say it is awesome. With a single small kit lens the macro and the zoom are pretty good but if you want to purchase more powerfull macro or zoom lenses the great thing is that you can buy an adaptor and fit some of the old canon/nikon manual lenses of ebay for just 20 pounds. So for us that means we can take these travelling without worrying about them breaking to much plus the camera itself is smaller than the S5is. Hope this helps a little.
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