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For the nomadic lifestyle: advice needed
12 years ago, November 19th 2011 No: 1 Msg: #147171  
Hi all

I'm looking for ways to earn an income over the internet, because it pains me having to return home and start saving up again with my regular job. Instead, are there any options out there for me which would allow the flexibility to work with my laptop, wherever I am, and whenever I want?

I heard TEFL jobs can allow such thing. I thought I'd ask on here for other opinions.

Travelling is a serious calling of mine and I want to live the nomadic life, like Benny Lewis, if anyone has heard of him. If anyone has any tips it would be much appreciated.

I blog as well, but I don't expect to gain revenue from that any time soon.

Thanks if you can help,

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12 years ago, November 19th 2011 No: 2 Msg: #147175  
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There are some companies which arrange English tutoring via skype - or you could look for your own students.

You mention on your profile that learning new languages is a hobby - do you know any well enough to look into translation?

Regardless of the occupation, you'll have a lot more credibility if you become qualified, it will take a while to build work sources, and your travel will be restricted to areas where you can get a guaranteed good internet connection. Reply to this

12 years ago, November 20th 2011 No: 3 Msg: #147217  
I don't want a job where I have to do minimum 4 hours of work per day, though. I just want to hop online whenever I feel like, and I heard there are jobs which allow that kind of flexibility and freedom.

I don't know any other language well enough to be able to translate. I'm fluent in English and Greek, but even then I have trouble translating between the two.

And I will most definitely need to travel to areas where there is limited internet connectivity.

In a nutshell; I need a job where the hours and schedules are decided entirely (or at least mostly) by me. And so I've heard, with some TEFL jobs, you can do that. You can hop online at any time, and as long as someone is available to learn, you will have work to do, and it can pay as much as £60 an hour.

Sound too good to be true? That's what I though at first, but now I'm trying to find out about it. Reply to this

12 years ago, November 20th 2011 No: 4 Msg: #147218  
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Yes, it does sound to good to be true.

I think you need to also be realistic about the discipline required to maintain an income in this way. It sounds great, but when you're on the road having fun, it's easy to lose motivation to work. Perhaps you would be better to have that set 4 hours a day a few days a week, and the rest of the time can be for sightseeing.

No-one online waiting to be taught = no income.

Limited internet connectivity = limited opportunities to get online to even see if anyone is available to teach.

Don't get me wrong, internet-based income is great (I receive/submit work for one job online myself), you just need to be aware of the less positive aspects. Reply to this

12 years ago, November 20th 2011 No: 5 Msg: #147219  
That sounds better. So it's possible I can have a set schedule, rather than working the "minumum 20 hours per week"? If I can work 4 hours per day, for just three days per week, that sounds much more bearable than working 5 days a week, or even, 7 days. But I also want to be able to take time off should I ever decide to visit a country with limited internet connection.

Example; Work in India for 2 months, then take a month off to visit Nepal. (assuming for arguments sake, that India has a good internet connection, and Nepal a bad connection)

So what would I need to do first, anyway? Obtain a TEFL certificate? Reply to this

12 years ago, November 20th 2011 No: 6 Msg: #147233  
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That's not my area, but there are English teachers here in TB Land - so they'll be able to give more detail on how things work for them when they see this thread.

Best of luck.
[Edited: 2011 Nov 20 19:36 - Jo Trouble:16935 ]
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12 years ago, November 22nd 2011 No: 7 Msg: #147354  
HI Saki,

If there were online jobs paying £60 an hour for English tuition then I would be a happy bunny indeed. I've been teaching EFL for 3 years now and yes, Jo is absolutely right, some form of teaching certificate or qualification is essential if you are going to succeed in this game.

The demand for English teachers here in Asia is huge and if you are willing to teach then you could always come here and do it. Schools will generally want you to commit for a minimum of 3 months and some will even allow you to choose your own hours. Japan and Korea offer the best salaries followed closely by China and Vietnam. Cambodia and Thailand generally have the lowest wages. Here in Vietnam, $15-20 per hour is considered the norm and that is a king's ransom by Vietnamese standards.

The usually criteria are a bachelors degree in any subject, some form of recognised teaching qualification such as TEFL, TESOL or CELTA (depends on the demands of the school) and many schools will also ask for a criminal record check.

Realistically, you could spend a year teaching here in Vietnam and see most of the country during this time. Spend your first 3 months in HCMC, followed by 3 months in Da Lat or Nha Trang, 3 months in Hue or Da Nang and your last 3 months in Ha Noi. It can be done and I know people who have done it. In your free time you can explore the local area and experience what this country has to offer.

If you possess a British/US passport then by all means use it. Many Asian schools demand that their foreign teachers are native speakers and will only pay you accordingly if you can back this up. There are many Eastern European and Filipino teachers here, yet despite the fact that many of them are more or less fluent English speakers, they can only command around 60-70% of what a British, American, New Zealander or Australian teacher would earn.

There are also plenty of opportunities to teach private students, but again, you will need to commit to teaching them for a specified period of time.

Hope this is of some help.

Nick 😊

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12 years ago, November 26th 2011 No: 8 Msg: #147770  
I second what Nick says.

Most schools in China require a 12 month commitment although you can find 6 month (one semester) contracts.You can also teach summer and winter courses which require only 2/3 weeks of work and pay from 4,000-10,000RMB. Most schools in China require an undergraduate degree and that you are a native English speaker. I highly reccommend a longer stay though, you experience local life in a way you don't when travelling.
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12 years ago, November 28th 2011 No: 9 Msg: #147998  
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This is brilliant advice Nick, thankyou.
Where are the best places online to find these jobs? Some i have found in Japan that look too good to be true - paying for your accommodation,visa and you get bonuses! Reply to this

12 years ago, November 28th 2011 No: 10 Msg: #147999  
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Hi Abi,

I used to live in Japan, and I never heard of anyone who was there doing an online job, having had their airfare, accomodation and visa paid for (or any of them paid for actually!).

The very nature of an online job means you don't need to be in the same location as your students - so I'd be surprised if there was such an opportunity.

What companies were advertising the jobs you saw? Reply to this

12 years ago, November 29th 2011 No: 11 Msg: #148007  
Hi Abi,

There are plenty of places online, but be careful as some of the more unscrupulous sites will try to charge you money for a placement. Try TEFL.com, i-to-i or Dave's ESL cafe for jobs.

As you so correctly point out, some schools will actually pay for your flight and accommodation, but there is a catch. The schools that do this will only pay up on completion of your contract which will be a minimum of 6 months and anything up to 1 year. As for the free accommodation, while usually modern, it is often quite small and you may be expected to live in the same house or apartment as the other teachers.

There is such a huge demand for native speaking teachers in Asia hence the 'almost too good to be true' offers. Committing to a year of teaching EFL/ESL in an Asian school will be one of the best experiences of your life, that I can promise you 😊 Check out my blog null blog 658750
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12 years ago, November 29th 2011 No: 12 Msg: #148011  
The online teaching jobs that I've seen required a minimum number of hours per week, and you tend to be restricted to when the students want to learn as opposed to when you want to work. Many offer a high hourly wage in adverts, but that includes bonuses from student feedback, which you never get. Last I heard, an average wage for online teaching was $10 an hour.

Teaching English is a good way to see the world and experience living in different countries. However, for a well-paid job in a quality school (that is not going to run off with your wages or cheat you), you have to give a minimum commitment and too much moving from place to place after short time periods can put people off employing you. It's possible to do some short term jobs in some places, if you also do some 6-12 month commitments in others.

The paid flights, bonuses etc. are not too good to be true, you work for it. As Nick says, you usually get them back after 6-12 months of your contract. Like any job, you get paid for it. It's not a volunteer position!!
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12 years ago, December 6th 2011 No: 13 Msg: #148417  
Hi again, thanks for all the advice everyone.

But I have another problem. I've decided that I want to teach English in Japan, but to be able to get a working visa, I need to have a university degree in ANY field, isn't that right? A university degree that's completely unrelated to teaching English? I thought doing the TEFL course would be enough. What is this nonsense? I find that very biased.

Someone please get back to me on this. I don't want to have my dreams destroyed just because I don't have a university degree. I am generally against having those. I wouldn't expect having to get one ever, especially if most employers in Japan hire teachers with little to no experience, which is VERY contradictory. I do not understand the logic.

What can I do to bypass needing a university degree? I'm sorry but I don't want to waste a few years of my life getting a degree in something that won't benefit me at all. I'm a firm believer in living life to the fullest, and as such, university degrees are one of the main things I want to avoid.

Advice appreciated.

I will let you know what my goal is for next year:

Save up money, move to Japan, teach English for 6 months, save up more, then travel around Asia. I hope that's not asking for too much.
[Edited: 2011 Dec 06 13:55 - Ikas90:105700 ]
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12 years ago, December 6th 2011 No: 14 Msg: #148421  

I do not understand the logic



Since when did anything on this vast planet of ours, work according to logic? 😉

I did a 4 year engineering apprenticeship, so I don't have a degree either and I would say unequivocally, that in today's world, a degree is far from being the guarantee of academic excellence that it was 15-20 years ago.

Having a degree also doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be a good teacher either. This is a skill that you either have or you don't, much like being able to swim or sing well.

I can still thrash all my degree bearing buddies at Scrabble and my standard of English has always been much higher than theirs being as I have always had a passion for language. In retrospect, like you, I'm glad that I didn't waste 3-4 years of my life doing one.

You can still get a job without a degree in Japan, however, you will have to have at least 3 years teaching experience. Otherwise, it's still possible to get jobs in South East Asia without one. Vietnam, China and Cambodia are the main countries where you can get away with this. The official line is that you should have one, although there are ways around this (nudge nudge wink wink).

What you do need to remember though it that TEFL is often the minimum requirement demanded by teaching establishments. You will stand a much better chance of finding employment if you are TESOL or even CELTA qualified.

Anyway, good luck Saki. I wish you all the best with your endeavours!

Nick
[Edited: 2011 Dec 06 14:09 - Cockle:46288 ]
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12 years ago, December 6th 2011 No: 15 Msg: #148434  
Hi Nick, thanks for your response. I completely agree, not much in this world works according to logic, lol!

But could you please explain to me what TESOL and CELTA are? I'm not familiar with those terms.

Vietnam sounds like a good option.. but exactly how easy is it to land a job without a degree? I'm an intense traveller, I absolutely must travel. I'm constantly trying to find ways to avoid "reality", being tied down to society.

Thanks again Reply to this

12 years ago, December 7th 2011 No: 16 Msg: #148445  
TESOL and CELTA are intensive, in depth courses that run from a few weeks to several months if done on a part time basis. In contrast, TEFL courses are usually very laid back and will last for a maximum of 3-4 weeks although shorter courses are still more common.

TESOL is a course designed to teach you not only how to teach TEFL, but also L2 to immigrants and asylum seekers in English speaking countries.

CELTA has now become the standard for many schools worldwide being as the course helps to hone teachers who are not so confident about teaching into ones who are by starting from the basics upwards. There is a lot of coursework to get through and you are given plenty of instruction in how to teach grammar and lots of classroom experience to boot.

As for travelling while working, well, I wish I could do the same, but somewhere along the line, reality kicks in and you do find yourself needing to settle, albeit for a short period of time. I couldn't agree more with my fellow TB compatriots above when they say that by living in a country you experience it more than any traveller or tourist ever would. Reply to this

12 years ago, December 7th 2011 No: 17 Msg: #148448  
In most South East Asian countries, the degree fulfills the requirements of the work permit. The various governments state that an English teacher needs to have a minimum of a degree, or proof of three years experience teaching English to be eligible for a work permit. This doesn't mean you are a good teacher or not (we all know great teachers without degrees and crap teachers with degrees), but everyone has to have a base mark to use.

In some countries, you can get away with teaching without a work permit if you do visa runs and work for schools that don't ask for one. Sometimes these will not be the best schools, but you can't have everything.

In Vietnam, I have noticed that it's easier to get a job with no degree outside the big cities of Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh, where there are less teachers around. I know a few teachers in Haiphong without a degree, for example. I would suggest that in other countries, the same would apply - stay outside the big commercial cities and you should find work easily.

As for TEFL certificates, the names TESOL and TEFL are used by most companies selling English Language Teacher Training. The quality and acceptability of these courses ranges. The basic standard is that it must have a minimum of 120 hours of taught course with 6 hours of observed teaching practice. As Nick says above, the CELTA is the most widely recognised and accepted qualification. The Trinity TESOL is equivalent, but less widespread over here it seems. If you don't have a degree, make sure that you do a recognised course to increase your chances of work.

Hope this helps.

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12 years ago, December 12th 2011 No: 18 Msg: #148700  
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This is fantastic advice thankyou. Ive been searching for months on the internet for a TEFL course, i have a degree and know i wont have a problem getting a teaching job but i would like a tefl qualification. Its difficult though because there doesn't seem to be one official tefl website, and just googling you end up with hundreds of links all claiming the be the leading ones.

I am slightly confused because as i understood, the CELTA course was for teaching adults? im not interested in this, only primary/secondary so would this be pointless to get into?

I have found a 'UK-TEFL' course which runs only over a weekend and is around £200. It says at the end of the course you get the qualification but im not sure what they can teach you in just a weekend? because i thought you needed a minimum expected teaching hours to get a job?

Kris and Nick, your advice has been really really useful so thankyou 😊 sorry to be asking lots of questions, it seems that non of these can be obtained by any FAQ's or wiki sites! haha best just to ask the people out there, living and working it huh 😊 x
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12 years ago, December 13th 2011 No: 19 Msg: #148710  
The Celta is officially for teaching adults, but people do it before teaching kids too. There isn't a 'TEFL' website for courses cos it doesn't work like that. CELTA is a qualification from the University of Cambridge exam board. Trinity College exam board governs the Trinity TESOL. Different language/training schools run their course, but the exam boards check that they are all done the same way e.g. one course is not easier than another. Other organisations run their own courses, which may or may not be externally moderated.

Weekend TEFL courses are not recognised by quality schools, no matter what they tell you. As you quite rightly say above, what can they teach you in a weekend? The minimum course is 120 hours of taught course and 6 hours of observed teaching practise. That doesn't mean that you can't get a job with a weekend course. It means that you will get the same job with a weekend course as you would without one.

What course you do really depends on how long you see yourself teaching for. If you are doing it for a few months break from home, doing something new and seeing a different country, then it's not necessary to do a CELTA or other expensive course. If you want to do this for longer and want a decent quality job, do a proper course.

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12 years ago, January 31st 2012 No: 20 Msg: #151226  
Hi again people,

Now is the time for me to start searching for a relevant course. I found these online ones, but I don't know which one I should do.

I think I'm going to go with teaching in China or Hong Kong. You don't need a university degree there. I need some recommendations on where and how I'm most likely to get the job I want.

My plan is to committ for 6 months.

The cheapest course is this 40 hour one, for $99
https://store.onlinetefl.com/online-courses/40-hour-online-course-package.html

And the most expensive one is the 120 hours.
http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-courses/online-tefl-course-120.html

There are others, for 60, 80 and 100 hours. I don't really know which one is most convienient for me. Do I really need to do the 120 one to guarantee myself a job? I can still get a job just doing the 40 hour course, right?

Help needed, and appreciated. Thanks Reply to this

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