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1 month of travel, in 2013

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Feel free to post comments, suggestions, advice... about my trip on this thread.
12 years ago, April 1st 2012 No: 1 Msg: #154053  
I am going to post my plans here on this thread, for my month long trip of next year, and anyone who has any advice, comments, suggestions... can post them here.

Here are the options I am considering. I will chose one, for next year, and maybe go on the others some other time.

1. Fly to Buenas Aires and take a boat to Uruguay. Then travel around there for a while and go back to Buenas Aires and fly back. I like this plan, because as far as I know, I dont need a tourist visa for either Argentina or Uruguay. And, I havent been to S. America for a few years.

2. Vietnam. I want to go meet some of the Vietnam war veterans who work there as tour guides and tell you about the war.

3. India. I want to travel around there by train for a month.

4. Fly to Bangkok, get visa for Cambodia there and travel overland to Cambodia, then get the visa for Vietnam there and travel overland to Vietnam and then all the way back to Bangkok overland again.

The disadvantages of 2 and 3 are that I would need to get visas in advance, and I generally worry about putting my passport in the mail and sending it to a consulate. Also, I worry about them turning down my visa application, even though it has never yet happened. The visas arent a big problem, but I just dont like the extra pressure they put on things. Reply to this

12 years ago, April 1st 2012 No: 2 Msg: #154066  
I would suggest from what I've heard about the evil road between Siem Reap and the Bangkok border, why not go straight from Vietnam, travel overland all the way to Siem Reap and then fly to Bangkok.

Or do it the other way. Start in Bangkok (visa-free entry on arrival), fly to Siem Reap where I thought you could obtain a Cambodian visa at the airport, then once in Phnom Penh grab the Vietnam visa there. Reply to this

12 years ago, April 2nd 2012 No: 3 Msg: #154079  
Mell, I have to say that the Argentina trip would be incredible. The country is beautiful and since it is so large, there are many climates and different areas to see. Patagonia just became my favorite place I have visited. I could see you hiking glaciers and walking with penguins. So, my vote would be for Argentina. Uruguay, well, not so much. It would be a nice side trip from BA. Just my thought. Reply to this

12 years ago, April 2nd 2012 No: 4 Msg: #154083  
Uruguay is from my point of view, a bit of a south american resort. I really enjoy it which is a bit strange since I normally don't like that kind of place. I did the boat ride the other way around and getting in Buenos Aires by boat is worth the trip alone. Uruguay is very tourist friendly. If you go out the beaten tracks, you will find amazing empty beaches.

I never been to vietnam, but your plan look great. I heard only good thing about the country.

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12 years ago, April 2nd 2012 No: 5 Msg: #154084  
Mel, you can get a Vietnam visa without sending your passport away. You arrange a letter of invitation from a company (my folks used myvietnamvisa.com) and then show it at immigration and get your visa there. You pay for the letter and for the visa.

I like your Vietnam/Cambodia trip idea. Reply to this

12 years ago, April 2nd 2012 No: 6 Msg: #154102  
Like Kris/Kate, the Vietnam/Cambodia trip sounds good, but then again we loved Argentina too.

Don't worry about the visa issues for Cambodia/Vietnam, they are easy to get at the border/airport (Cambodia) or in advance (for Vietnam when you are in Cambodia or even Bangkok) or the letter as Kris and Kate suggest. We used the letter option when we went to Vietnam and it worked perfectly.

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12 years ago, April 2nd 2012 No: 7 Msg: #154104  
I totally agree with Shane, but I would do it in the following way:

Get your pre-approved letter for your Vietnam visa online. Fly to Bangkok then fly to HCMC with Air Asia who are generally the cheapest operator on this route. Once you are done in 'Nam, take the bus from HCMC to Phnom Penh (I'd recommend SAPACO) and then a further bus to Siem Riep before jumping a flight back to Bangkok. Bangkok Airways looks to be the cheapest option for this route at present.

Oh and if you do decide to come this way, don't forget to tell us when you are coming so that we can arrange to get together for a beer or six 😊 Reply to this

12 years ago, April 5th 2012 No: 8 Msg: #154224  
Hey Mell,

You don't mention what time of year you're planning to travel? If it's in the southern Hemisphere's winter I wouldn't recommend Uruguay. We were in Montevideo and Colonia del Sacremento in June and it was all a bit grey and bleak if I'm honest. Also I'm not sure there would be enough there to hold your attention for a month.

The other options all sound great. You love India, what a great excuse to see more of it!

A month in Vietnam is a good amount of time to see top to bottom and I wouldn't worry about the visa, because as mentioned previously visa on arrival is easy. Fill out online form, part with some cash and print off letter. Arrive in Vietnam, hand over letter and more cash and nice shiny visa appears in your passport. It's so easy my in-laws did it last year and they barely know the front of a computer from the back!

My preference would be the last one though. From reading your posts and blogs you don't seem like the type that rushes around cramming in everything and never stopping to take a breath or sip a coffee and even if you were I don't think you'll ever see Cambodia and ALL of Vietnam AND get back to Bangkok all overland in a month.

If it was me here's what I'd do. Land in Bangkok, hang out for a couple of days getting over jetlag, eating Thai and watching all the goings on. Jump on a bus to the Cambodian border (Poipet 4-5 hours), it's really easy now with no visa scams and there's now a tarmac road all the way to Siem Reap (another 2-3 hours by share taxi or bus), we did it with two toddlers in tow, absolute piece of cake, the last couple of times we did it were horrendous so I can see people reluctance to recommend it, but last year no complaints... got visa and through immigration in probably 20-30 mins... just make sure you've got US$.

Hang out in Cambodia, see temples of Angkor before they get too renovated or start to fall apart from the sheer weight of Korean tourists hanging off them getting their pictures taken doing the peace sign and then head south to the beaches or wherever takes your fancy.

End up in Phnom Penh to get your Vietnamese visa sorted, which takes a day, about $38 US (from memory) for 1 month, guesthouse will almost certainly be able to do it for you, we didn't even have to fill anything out just handed them over and the next day picked them up at reception.

Head into Vietnam... Bus to HCMC is about 5 hours, again border crossing is a piece of cake or you could take a bus/boat that takes you to Chau Doc in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam, and then work your way through the delta to HCMC. Hang out in HCMC with Cockle and his Missus and Kris and Kate (I think you're in Saigon, am I right guys?) drinking ridiculously cheap beer before flying back to Bangkok with good old Air Asia or hightail it back to Bangers overland, doing the above in reverse or alternatively stopping at Koh Chang for some stunning sunsets and beach action if there's time....

Fly home... Happy to see family, miserable when you realise the price of one beer in Europe would buy you six- to eight in 'Nam... unless it's Bia Hoi, I'm not even sure there's enough time in the day to drink a few Euros worth of that stuff...

Well, that's what I'd do anyway! 😊

I look forward to finding out what you do... 😊

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12 years ago, April 9th 2012 No: 9 Msg: #154398  
Here are the lowest prices for each flight, that I can currently find, approximately.

Buenas Aires - around 900
Cambodia - aroung 700
Hanoi - around 650
Bangkok - around 550
India - around 450

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Ill be buying the ticket, when I get back from Israel in the middle of this October, so plenty of time to keep searching. Hopefully, by then the tickets for the end of next year to Buenas Aires will be available, and at hopefully at a much lower price. Last time I was going to south America, they cost less than 500 return from Munich, Germany. Buenas Aires will be getting scratched off my list, if I dont find better flight prices.

Vietnam: That 'letter of invitation' looks like a great idea, so flying into Vietnam is definately an option. Does anyone know how much the letter costs, and is the visa I would get a tourist visa or a business visa?

Bangkok and Cambodia are also options: So far, I tend to agree with those who say just fly to Bangkok and then go overland to Vietnam. I always like Bangkok, so a few nights there is a good thing. And, seems like the easier option for visa getting too.

it's really easy now with no visa scams ...


That is good to hear. It was another thing against the flying into Bangkok idea, that I now no longer need to worry about.

Does anyone know if the visas at the Cambodian border and the ones for Vietnam at the Cambodian guesthouses can be payed for with Euros?

India: This at the moment is also still an option.

At the moment, flying to Bangkok or India are at the top of my list, but that could change. 😊 I really like the Bangkok one, because I get to go to 2 countries I have not yet been in. And, I like the India one because the ticket prices are so good, and as Mike points out, I love India. The only thing I am not going to do for sure from the suggestions is get on another plane after I get to Asia. Airports are the last thing I will want to see for at least a month, so overland travel it is going to be while I am there.

We were in Montevideo and Colonia del Sacremento in June and it was all a bit grey and bleak if I'm honest.


Normally, id like warm sunshine to be part of a trip, but with recessions etc pulling on my finances, I am going to make bad weather part of the experience that causes travel variety, if this is what it takes to make it cost less. At least grey weather wont be the worst I have encountered. As long as cyclones, floods... dont happen, I will be happy enough.

Hang out in Cambodia, see temples of Angkor before they get too renovated or start to fall apart from the sheer weight of Korean tourists hanging off them getting their pictures taken doing the peace sign and then head south to the beaches or wherever takes your fancy.


Ill have to give that one some consideration. I dont know enough about temples to have a real interest in this, and I think those Korean tourists might make it a not great experience if I have no intellectual interest in the place to distract me from them. There are likely lots of nice and peaceful places to hang out in Cambodia, even if they dont have the fame and prestige of Angkor Wats.

South coast of Cambodia might be something that would interest me though. Would the Vietnam visa be as available in the guesthouses down that way as it would be in Phnom Penh. Does anyone know? Or maybe I can just go along the coast, and then go up to Phnom Penh to get the visa for Vietnam... Or maybe save the coast for my next visit to Cambodia, because as Mike points out, I like to have lots of time to sit back and soak up the atmosphere. And, the coast in Vietnam might be an option, so I wont be deprived...

Hang out in HCMC with Cockle and his Missus and Kris and Kate (I think you're in Saigon, am I right guys?) drinking ridiculously cheap beer ...


That makes it almost a pity that I never developed an alcohol tolerance. One is generally enough for me, but with Nicks beer blog ( null blog 662725 ), I can make sure it is the best one possible, and Nick will surely know the best place to enjoy it. And, Kris and Kate might come with us?

...miserable when you realise the price of one beer in Europe...


Yeah, lately I have been noticing a bit more the prices in Europe, because I am trying to save more travel money. So, I decided it was about time I tart up my garden and balcony and spend more time in them. Afterall, it is not any less relaxing than hanging out in bars and cafes and paying those European prices for everything, when I can do that lots while travelling once I get the money together to get me to those less expensive countries. 😊
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12 years ago, April 9th 2012 No: 10 Msg: #154400  
Just to answer a few of your questions Mell:

The online visa (letter of approval) for Vietnam: If I recall correctly now, I believe that you can only use this service if you fly into one of the main Vietnamese airports. As far as I'm aware, there are no provisions for these visas at the land crossings. However, it may be a simple affair to get a visa while you are in Bangkok. I haven't done this myself so can't advise on this point.

The processing fee for the online, letter of introduction is usually around the $20 mark for a 1 month and $35 for a 3 month, this is for single entry tourist visas, multiple entry visas cost more. You will then need to pay a service/stamp fee on arrival of $25 or $50 respectively. This is only payable in US Dollars.

I got my Cambodian visa at the embassy in HCMC which cost $20 and it took only 24 hours, but this was over a year ago, so the price may well have gone up since then. The visa was only payable in US Dollars or local currency.

You will be lucky to find cheap beer in HCMC, especially in the backpacker or tourist districts. By Vietnamese standards, this city has become ridiculously expensive over the past year or two and beer and food, while still cheap by European standards, is vastly overpriced compared to the outer lying areas. Get out of the big cities and off the tourist circuit and your costs will plummet substantially.

I was in HCMC yesterday and was shocked at the prices of some things. The average beer price is now around the 20-25,000 VND for a bottle of Tiger or one of the homebrews such as Saigon or Huda, yet where I live, just 35km to the north east, beer is half that price at restaurants and even less in the shops.

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12 years ago, April 10th 2012 No: 11 Msg: #154409  
Yes, as Nick says, the visa on arrival letter is only valid on air entry points, not land crossings (as far as I know). The easiest place to get a Vietnamese visa is Phnom Penh. You can get it back within 24 hours (less probably). If you arrange it at a guesthouse, it may have to go back to PP so may take longer. Last time we got one in Bangkok it took 3 working days.

Angkor Wat is not the only temple in Cambodia. There are literally hundreds as part of the Ankgor complex. While the popular ones like AW, the one from Tombraider and the Bayon (the one with the big heads) might be busy, the outer ones will not. We spent a lot of time with whole temples to ourselves. It would be a crying shame to miss at least some of the temples at Angkor out, as they are incredible.

If you are intested in the South coast of Cambodia, we went to Kampot, Kep and Otres beach in Sihanoukville recently. Check out our last blog. I would recommend Jasmine Valley eco resort in Kep.

Nick, you're not wrong about the increase in food and drink prices here over the last year or so. Isn't inflation at 20%!?(MISSING) I know that the cheese we usually buy was 75,000 vnd two years ago and is now 125,000 in some shops. Fruit juice has doubled in price at least. The difference between the big cities and the outer areas isn't much difference to how to it is in any city though, in my opinion. You pay more in inner city places in the UK than you do in small towns and suburbs. Beer in the shops is still low even if HCMC - around 8,000 vnd a can if you buy it singely and less if you buy a crate. Plus, any backpackers reading this can find really cheap street beer in Pham Ngu Lao!

....Beer was free for an hour in our local on Sunday night! You should have said you were coming!!
[Edited: 2012 Apr 10 02:31 - Rat on the Road:23681 ]
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11 years ago, May 7th 2012 No: 12 Msg: #155889  

...Uruguay is very tourist friendly. If you go out the beaten tracks, you will find amazing empty beaches.


Last time I was in Uruguay, I went to Punta Del Diablo. It was georgous. For some reason, it reminded me of the West of Ireland.
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Maybe, I will get lucky, and the ticket prices will be lower for some time next year to Argentina. For now though, it seems weird to pay 900 Euros for them, when I have seen them available in previous years for around 500 Euros.

I read the blog by Kris ( of Rat on the Road). I really enjoyed that, and it has inspired me to consider Cambodia as a destination in itself, rather than just an inexpensive route to Vietnam.
In fact, flying into Bangkok and heading to the south coast of Cambodia is now at the top of my list. The final decision will still depend on what the flights cost at the time I will be buying them at the end of this year, but a trip to Cambodia currently seems most promising. And, why pay for 2 visas, instead of just one for Cambodia, since I have never even been there, so it will all be a new experience. What I might do is go to Thailand and Cambodia for this trip, and then add on Vietnam on a future trip to Cambodia.

Kris gives a really cool account of the people he has seen, such as the boarder guards, and the Cambodians celebrating a national holiday. I can almost picture them in my mind, after reading the blog.
Here is the blog, for others who are curious about it.
Enter the Dragon

Thanks for the information Nick and Kate, and those who I havent quoted, but did read what they saida and appreciate it. My research is still ongoing, so I am reading with interest everything people say on this thread.

Has anyone crossed from Thailand to Cambodia at the southern most border crossing? If so, what was it like? OK, or best to choose a different one?
[Edited: 2012 May 07 14:49 - Mell:49612 ]
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11 years ago, May 8th 2012 No: 13 Msg: #155916  

Has anyone crossed from Thailand to Cambodia at the southern most border crossing? If so, what was it like? OK, or best to choose a different one?



We did that border crossing from Cambodia into Thailand a few years ago and it was fine, no problems - it was certainly far better than the Aranya Prathet-Poipet crossing further north.

The southern one had a lot of regular transport going to and from the borders and we didn't have any problems with the Immigration officials at all. Reply to this

11 years ago, May 16th 2012 No: 14 Msg: #156276  
Thanks Donna and Neil! 😊 This is great to know. It is nice to see that the much talked about Cambodian border corruption seems to be history now. Hopefully, it stays that way.

This time next year, I will probably be in Cambodia. The cheapest flights to Bangkok always seem to be in May, so that is likely when I will be going there. 😊 Reply to this

11 years ago, May 17th 2012 No: 15 Msg: #156334  
I commonly don't like that affectionate of place. I did the baiter ride the added way about and accepting in Buenos Aires by baiter is account the cruise alone. Uruguay is actual day-tripper friendly. Reply to this

11 years ago, June 2nd 2012 No: 16 Msg: #157083  

Hi Mell
I have to say that the Argentina journey would be amazing. The nation is wonderful and since it is so huge, there are many environments and different places to see. Patagonia just became my preferred position I have frequented. I could see you climbing snow and going for walks with penguins. So, my election would be for Argentina. Uruguay, well, not so much. It would be a awesome part journey from BA. Just my believed. Reply to this

11 years ago, July 2nd 2012 No: 17 Msg: #158276  
Thanks Maria and Robert for your responses. 😊

To make the decision about where to go hard again, I have just been given a good reason to put India at the top of the list. But, I think what I really have to do is get saving, as fast as I can, so I can get to all the destinations on my list, because they all have a reason I want to go to them. But, at the moment, I think India is in the lead.

Sometimes when I travel I use Metal Travel Guide to find Heavy Metal clubs and bars to visit in the various destinations in Europe.

An Indian friend of my boyfriend, who travels a lot with her job so sometimes gets to Heavy Metal Festivals here in Germany saw a t-shirt I brought back from India for my boyfriend that says 'Delhi Rocks'. Her comment on it was, 'Delhi does NOT roc'. It is Bangalore that rocks'. I tend to agree with her about Delhi, as I was out in Delhi all night one night, at what is likely the coolest place in Delhi to hang out at night, and it sure did not rock.

I looked up Bangalore on the Metal Travel Guide. There is one Heavy Metal bar listed. My boyfriends friend said it was the Mecca of Heavy Metal in Bangalore, but it is now closed. She said there are other bars now that play Heavy Metal, and she will show me around, if I come to Bangalore. Checking out the infancy of the Indian Heavy Metal scene has to be a good reason to go to India in my opinion. Since it is fairly new, there likely is lots of freshness and excitement surrounding it and its fans. 😊

I have just finished making sure I have enough money for my trip to Israel in October. I will have enough for the next trip after that, by December if all goes well, so plane ticket will be bought then, and I will get to have some rest from my indecisive mulling over which destination I am the most eager to get to, because having the ticket makes it final. 😊




[Edited: 2012 Jul 02 14:51 - Mell:49612 ]
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11 years ago, July 5th 2012 No: 18 Msg: #158412  
I would recommend from what I've observed about the wicked street between Siem Acquire and the Bangkok boundary, why not go immediately from Vietnam, journey overland all the way to Siem Acquire and then fly to Bangkok.

Begin in Bangkok, fly to Siem Acquire where I believed you could have a Cambodian charge at Manchester international terminal, then once in Phnom Penh pick up the Vietnam charge there. Reply to this

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