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Planning a grad trip for next year June/July to about Sept!

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Seeking opinions/suggestions or any help for my graduation trip next year!
12 years ago, October 9th 2011 No: 1 Msg: #144752  
Hi everyone,

I'm from Singapore and along with some of my friends (1-3 more) are currently planning our graduation trip next year during the summer/early fall. So far i have done some research and i'm wondering if it is feasible during this short duration and still visit the best places in the US as this would be a first time going to the USA

The itinerary so far is:

Orlando 3 days --> Miami/key west 3.5 days --> Atlanta 2 days --> Ohio 2 days --> Niagara falls 1.5 days --> Toronto 3 days --> Montreal 2.5 days --> Vermont 2.5 days --> Boston 3 days --> NYC 6 days --> Philadelphia 2 days --> Washington DC 2 days --> North Carolina 1.5 days then back to orlando for another 1.5 days before flying to LAX.

Los Angeles 4 days --> Anaheim 2 days --> San Diego 3 days --> Las Vegas 2 days --> Grand Canyon 2 days --> Yosemite 2 Days --> Olympia 2 days --> Seattle 3 days --> Vancouver 5 days --> Long drive back to San Francisco (probably stop over half way to rest for night) 4 days, driving down the coast back to Los Angeles 3-4 days and spending another 2-3 days shopping at Los Angeles.

Total number of days: 36/37 Days for East Coast and 37 Days for the West Coast.

We will most probably be renting a car, one at the east coast which loops from Florida to Florida and Los Angeles and Los Angeles. Since i am under 25 but with about 5 years of driving experience, is it possible for companies to waive off the charge for under 25? Do you think that this itinerary might be too challenging as i would like so see as much of USA as i can? I understand for certain parts driving may be long that is why i plan to stop halfway and take 1 day in that city to make full use of it.

Do you have any suggestions where else I can probably detour to see more nice places or days i should cut down from places that i have listed down?

Our estimated budget so far is about 6000 - 6500 USD per person (this excludes air tickets and shopping expenses). Will that be too little? We should be staying in hostel/motel to save cost and once in awhile stay in hotel to keep us in check.

So sorry for having so many questions and thanks in advance for those who replies to assist me with my grad trip! Reply to this

12 years ago, October 9th 2011 No: 2 Msg: #144764  
Ruben, Welcome to travel blog,

You are likely to get many answers and opinions to your question. I have limited time this morning to address your questions but will write again. In my opinion, your plan is aggressive.

1st off you are going to have extreme difficulty renting a car in the U.S. if you are under 25 years old. You will have to contact the rental car companies directly to determine the fees. I would suggest checking websites for Enterprise, Budget, National and Hertz car rental companies.

Three days should be enough in Orlando as I'm making an assumption that you are going to Disney World, Epcot and Sea World. The drive from Orlando to Miami is about 235 miles and should take you about 4 hours to drive. The drive to Key West is another three hours south if you don't stop and explore any of the other towns along the way. I would spend two days in Key West as it is a cute town. If you do that it will only leave you 1.5 days in Miami, which I personally think is enough as it is not one of my favorite cities but you will need to be the judge of that.

In my opinion, you have not provided any time to travel from city to city. America is a very large country and most first time visitors do not understand the distances that they will travel.

The drive from Key West to Atlanta is over 800 miles and will take you 14 hours of travel time in a car. Keep in mind that gasoline is currently $4 a gallon and you can travel about 30 miles per gallon so the drive from Key West to Atlanta will cost you about $100 in fuel.

The United States does not offer hostels in every city as is common in other countries around the world. There are some low end hotels that are fairly inexpensive but your budget will be tight. You may want to purchase a tent and go camping. Hotel web sites you may want to check out are Super 8, Red Carpet Inn, Passport Inn and Knight's Inn.

Atlanta is one of the largest cities America-- I'm not sure what you are hoping to see but 2 days will not give you much time. If it were me I'd skip Atlanta and add additional days to another city. (personal opinion) Don't get me wrong-- Atlanta is a lovely city so you may want to explore it. My preference would be to take those two days and explore Savannah, Georgia instead of Atlanta.

The drive from Atlanta to NYC is almost 19 hours-- another 900 miles.

I again make some assumptions about your reason for going to Ohio and that may be to go to Cleveland for the Rock and Roll hall of fame. It is worth the trip.

6 days in NYC will give you a good look around although you could easily spend longer. 2 days in Philadelphia will be ok (three would be better) Philly is a lovely city with lots of history to explore and great food.

The drive from NYC to Niagara Falls is 7 hours.
Niagara Falls to Toronto is a only a two hour drive and from there to Cleveland is about a 6 hour drive. Toronto is a great city as well as Montreal.

Oh, I forgot, the drive from Montreal to Toronto is over 6 hours-- and then of course you have the drive back.

The drive from NYC to Boston is about 5 hours (235 miles) It may take longer because of traffic-- there is no way to predict this.

In my opinion, Washington, DC is one of our prettiest cities. I would spend more than two days. I recommend 3 or 4.

Where do you want to go in North Carolina? This is a big state with several cities worth exploring. Provide additional information on what you would like to see and we will comment.

I do not recommend going to Orlando twice as this will increase your expenses. I would stay there and see all you want to see before heading north. I would fly to LA from one of the northern cities such as NYC, Boston or Washington, DC.

Again, your schedule is very aggressive-- my preference would be to do it slower.
You may want to do the east coast this trip and do the west coast in another trip unless you want to do the west coast. If you focus on the east coast you may want to add Memphis and New Orleans to your list. They are not exactly on the east coast but close enough to add to your itinerary.


I'll add more later.





[Edited: 2011 Oct 09 16:39 - D MJ Binkley:42569 ]
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12 years ago, October 9th 2011 No: 3 Msg: #144769  
Thanks for your quick response D MJ Binkley.

I'm currently 23 at the moment and will be almost 24 by the time i visit the states. Not sure if they would allow me to waive off that extra charge but i will still probably check the car companies you listed for more info.

I'm actually skipping Disney World, Epcot and Sea World as my intention was to do it in California so basically just touring around orlando for other attractions like kennedy space centre etc.

I think the webpage that i used to calculate distance between destinations did not included traffic + the normal route just probably the shortest distance possible. My initial plan on stopping in countries like Atlanta, or even North Carolina is to have a break from driving. I mean i like long distance driving probably 10 hours should be alright but i sincerely doubt that i can drive for 22 hours straight from maybe lets say Orlando to New york. So i have plan stops along the way by choosing some of the cities so like making a loop. And since i'm like already doing a stopover there, why not actually just spend a day or two touring the city before moving on. My actual plan was to just travel to ohio for Cedar Point :D . I'm young and seek thrill.

The reason why i have to start from orlando and return back to orlando is that the car that i rent have to be dropped off at the same location else the one time drop off fee seems to be super expensive and probably not justifiable. Is there anyway you could suggest?

I know i probably cant see all the fantastic places in the whole of East Coast, i'm just picking the best of the best so places like orlando, New york, Washington DC, Niagara Falls, Toronto, Vermont, Montreal etc.. Unless of course i give up on Florida and just make a full circle top north since Florida seems to be very out of the way and there are really no states in between i'm really interested in.

To be really honest, i haven not entirely researched on the best attractions the east/west coast has to offer, probably just the really outstanding/famous one. I'm just getting started planning the trip and trying to figure out how many days i will probably need to set aside for each cities then look for key attractions to visit.

Your short advice have been wonderful so far and hope to hear more from you.

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12 years ago, October 9th 2011 No: 4 Msg: #144787  
Ruben,

You'll need to do some checking with the rental car companies. I do not expect them to budge on the 25 year old rule-- especially because you are not from this country and are not used to our roads, laws and traffic. Take a bus so you don't have to back track all those miles. I'd get off a few days in Savannah, Georgia. It is easy to explore on foot and they have good public transportation.

Keep in mind that you do not want a city in the big cities like NYC, Boston, Washington, DC as you will pay $18 to $25 a day just to park the car. Please consider taking a bus. You will spend too much money the other way.

I would suggest that you take a bus or train from Florida to NYC. The Kennedy Space Center is not in Orlando. It is on the coast in a town called Titusville and well worth the visit. Titusville is about an hour from Orlando. It is on the coast.

Ah-- you are a coaster freak-- excellent-- well Cedar Point is a must do and you may want to go to Cincinnati and go to King's Island. There are several excellent roller coasters at that park. Do your research as you will want to do both. You'll find some great coasters near LA at Magic Mountain.

You have plenty of time to focus your plan.

Your west coast plan is aggressive. The drive from San Diego to Vancouver is 24 hours of driving 2247 km.

Admission to the amusement parks are expensive. $50 to $100 a day depending on the park. You can get discounts for multiple days. There are companies who sell discount tickets.


There is a lot to do in Seattle and it is a beautiful city. You may want to go to The Music Experience in Seattle. It is interactive and lot of fun a lot of music history. The space needle, Ride the Duck, take the Underground tour, lots of music and comedy clubs, and the Pike's Place Market. Seattle is one of my favorite cities.

LA to Las Vegas is 4 1/2 hour drive. Since you are 23 or 24 you may need more than two days in Las Vegas. There is a lot for young people to do there.

LA to San Diego is only a couple of hours if the traffic is light. The San Diego has one of the best Zoos in America.

Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon is a 5 hour. Not much going on out there. The canyon is well worth the trip. If you can afford it you may want to invest in a helicopter ride over the canyon. It is amazing.

LA to Yosemite is a 7 hour drive. If you enjoy hiking you cannot do this park in 2 days.

4 days in San Francisco should be a minimum. Lot of things to do in the city and lots of hiking and day trips near by. We are currently living in the San Francisco area and have been blogging about things to do near by. Last winter we lived near Boston and published several blogs about that area. Take a look.

As for your budget-- $6500 for 74 days
That gives you roughly $87.50 per day

lodging will cost you $25 to $75 day you may want to check out couch surfing. That will decrease your expenses

Food- I'll bet you could do it for $30 day if you don't care what you are eating.

I feel like I've spent a lot of time telling you why your plan won't work in the amount of time that you have and that truly is not my intention. I just want you to think about what you are planning. I'll have additional suggestions in my next posting and will be more up beat.

We love Singapore. We'd love to see you publish some blogs on things to do in Singapore....more off the beaten track type things that most travelers don't experience. We enjoyed our time in Singapore.

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12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 5 Msg: #144828  
hi, one idea might be to find those websites where they have people who need their car taken from one destination to another...for free or a very small fee! Or perhaps an RV? I dont have time to google but ive definitly investigated them before and they do exist 😊 But might save you heaps of costs. Otherwise we bought a brilliant car for US$900 that we sold 2 years later for $800 so that might be an idea...although not sure if you'd need a drivers licence for that? Maybe someone from the US might be able to help with that one. Or....just buy cheap flights and packages! We travelled everywhere by plane and there are certainly flights between places like Orlando and NY for less than $100.

hth, tam
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12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 6 Msg: #144829  
hiya, forgot to even mention destinations...sorry 😊

Wow you have some massive driving there...some things you havent mentioned that might be worth dropping in on during your driving are...
New York State - Finger Lake Region (between Niagra and NYC) - fantastic relaxing and beautiful wine region and restaurants.
Niagra Falls Canadian Side - big tourist place, great bars, restaraunts, amusement stuff like madame tausauds
Baltimore - between Philli and DC - great city with great old town area and marina.
Bend Oregon - high dessert area about 2hrs inland from Portland. Amazing city that is a ski resort in winter but in summer a huge festival and brilliant food and wine area
Nappa Valley - above San Fran - gotta be up there in most famous wine and food in the world. Amazing boutique hotels.
Pebbles Beach Golf Course - you can book in the week of to play golf or go and walk around the course. Amazing even if youre not into golf.

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12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 7 Msg: #144833  

In response to: Msg #144787

Well i suppose both my plan are pretty aggressive as i would really like to make the see as many things as possible during my stay there. I really appreciate your comments and opinion that was why i decided to post on the forum to seek help whether it was do-able. Like you mention i have still plenty of time to plan and do some research, i'll probably use the advice so far and discuss it with my friends.

Just a general guideline how long will a whole trip of the west coast be and what would be the ideal budget overall or daily be? Is there any must see places or small cities that we should not miss? At least this will help us in our planning and amount so save up within the time we have.

Also, lets say i decided to do the west coast. Is it better to fly from one area to another then rent a car and go around the region or best to just rent a car all the way? Like probably rent a car in LA and drive around to LV, SF, Yosemite etc.. Then fly from LAX to Seattle and tour the area + a little bit of canada? Reply to this

12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 8 Msg: #144834  

In response to: Msg #144828
In response to: Msg #144829

Hey Tam,

Thanks for the advice. That would be a great suggestion but i guess i will have to surf around the web to search for people who needs their car dropped off somewhere else. I've read other forums and seen people posting that tourist shouldn't buy a car as the process is complicated and also not advisable. I think i also need to be a US citizen in order to buy? Not too sure about it.

I'm still in the beginning stage of my planning and from what D MJ Binkley have said so far, i doubt i can still afford the time to stop by those places along the way as time is the constraint. Well but if i do decide to do either of the coast, I'll be sure to stop by those places you recommended! Reply to this

12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 9 Msg: #144838  
Finding someone who wants their car dropped off will not work as they expect you to drive it straight to the location. They will not want any additional miles on the vehicle. They give you a very short period of time to move from one location to the next.
[Edited: 2011 Oct 10 13:04 - D MJ Binkley:42569 ]
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12 years ago, October 10th 2011 No: 10 Msg: #144839  

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Hi, just had a quick look and the term to google is 'driveaways' where you are relocating someones car for them. http://www.autodriveaway.com/ is a good example but they will do credit checks etc on you. We werent US citizens and i had a working visa so not sure about the car purchasing issue. I just asked my hubby and he says he thinks the trickie bit was the insurance not the actual car. Anyhoo... i'd definitly recommend flying as it is so so cheap and will speed up your trip immensely. And lots of litle flights will be a lot easier and faster you'll hardly notice. have a great time! Reply to this

12 years ago, October 12th 2011 No: 11 Msg: #145021  
Hi Leung,

I must say you do have quite an ambitious trip, but one thing that maybe can help you and your friends is that while in the Northeast you could rely on using the extensive transportation system that exists. It's very easy to take a bus from NYC to Boston as cheap as 10 dollars per person! This of course varies which day and time you leave though! If you do this, take either Peter Pan, Lucky Star or Megabus (Megabus is the one that will charge you 10 dollars for your trip) but still you can get a round trip for as cheap as 35 dollars, so I'm sure it could be half of that for one way. You can also take the bus from either Boston or NYC to go to your other destinations in the Northeast, including VT, Philadelphia, DC, even to Montreal! Then you could take the bus from there to Vancouver probably. Amtrak can be too expensive but that's another option however the bus stations are packed and have regular lines. I would do this before renting a car-I would actually if I were you, start your trip in Vancouver, take the bus to Montreal, then take a bus to NYC, then one to Boston, then take a bus to VT from there, head back to Boston, then take a bus from there to Philadelphia and then maybe from Philadelphia head to DC. It's here that I'd rent my car, however you might have trouble since you are under 23, however you said you are traveling with two other friends, are any of them 25 or over? If so, maybe have that person in charge of renting the car and you can divide up the costs and give your portions to him or her.

If you're not going to the parks in Orlando, there's not much to do I will warn you that, so I would only spend a day. However, I will give you this food for thought: I had a German friend in high school who had been to Disney World and Disneyland and he found Disney World to be more interesting because of the four parks and the rides were more up to date and lively. However, I understand why you want to go to Disneyland because it's the original. I will admit I have a lot of nostalgia connected to Disney World because I grew up in FL and my family and I go annually. It's a great park and if you go to Orlando missing it I feel is a little crazy, however don't take this as me judging you-I'm just warning you that there will not be much to do in Orlando if you do that. I would go to Sarasota, FL for its museums and zoos and/or St. Augustine because it's the first European settlement in the Americas still in existance! It also has great beaches and a lovely light house worth visiting! I will warn you that your drive from DC to Miami is insane! It will take you 10 hours just to go from the panhandle of FL to the tip (take it from someone who has done it before biannually just for college!) It will take you 5 hours to drive from Orlando to Miami. Miami is nice, however you have to drive there and traffic is notoriously insane! You might also get stuck because certain parts of Miami are un navigable without a knowledge of Spanish! However, South Beach is gorgous, there's a great aquarium there that has connections to the Flipper television series; my parents always took me to the Monkey and Parrot Jungles as a kid which are zoos themed around these animals. The Metro Zoo there is also very good. I haven't been there since Hurricane Andrew, however I understand it's been update and redone so it's quite good. I grew up in a small town called Everglades City, located of the Gulf of Mexico, which is a common day tripper destination for visitors to Miami and/or Naples for an air boat ride, however we have two history museums that are quite good, some of the best fishing in the US, probably world even, and a unique cuisine which features fried gator tale and stone crab claws! My family and I know some of the tour guides, maybe we can get you guys a discount or something! You'll also be close to Everglades National Park, Big Cypress National Park and lots of other parks themed around the swamp. Naples is great for the beach, but there's also a vibrant art scene. There's a great art museum connected to the Naples Philharmonic Center of the Arts, however there is also a nice history museum about Southwest FL that's free and worth a visit. There's also Seminole Indian reservations nearby which might also be an interesting cultural experience for you and your friends if that's your thing. I've heard awesome things about Key West from my parents and foreigners visiting because it's beautiful, has lots of character and history, but also the food is good there.

I have been to NYC, DC and I live in the Boston area and I will warn you that 3 days is not enough in either of these cities. I spent 4 days in NYC and barely saw 1/3 of what the city has to offer, but my bf and I had a blast! I went to DC with my family as a child and we spent a week and still didn't see everything. There's also a lot to see in VA that you might want to consider like Charlottesville, where Monticello (Thomas Jefferson's mansion) and UVA are located. There's also Alexandria w/ Mt Vernon (G. Washington's home), Yorktown (site of the last battle of the American Revolution), Jamestown (first "permanent" British settlement in the US) and Williamsburg (VA's colonial capital and heart of the Southern patriot movement). I've lived in the Boston area for the past 3 years, and I feel like I'm learning more and more everyday about this city. You could spend a month easily in this area and still not have seen everything! I will also warn you that once you're in New England that city and state borders start to blur so because of that people travel from one city to the other and also one state to the other like it's no big deal. This is not true in the Southeast, where cities are too rural and spread out! There's tons of options for side trips outside of Boston, like Salem, Lexington, Concord, Glouster, Plymouth, Nantucket, Martha's Vinyard, Cape Cod, even Providence, RI (all accessible via Boston's metro system, aka T, and commuter rail for as cheap as $6 round trip!). There's also a lot of rich history in CT like in Mystic, New Haven and Hartford! VT is great if you like skiing, hiking or maple syrup and don't forget the Ben and Jerry's ice cream factory which I've heard is a lot of fun! Please feel free to message me for more info on planning your trip to Boston and FL because I have lived in both places and I could write a book on what you could see and do. I also wouldn't mind showing you guys around when you come!

For NC, I would recommend Raleigh-Durham, Asheville and Charlotte which all have lots of museums, great restaurants, parks and history. Boone is also a great destination for skiing if that's your interest. Concord, NC also has a really huge mall that you and your friends might find interesting. I'd recommend maybe making a sidetrip to Savannah, GA while in GA, but also Myrtle Beach, SC is nice, as well as Charelston, SC and Historic Brattonsville in SC is nice as well. I know absolutely nothing about the West because I am from the East Coast and have only traveled in this part of the US. I hope this helps you and I wish you the best for your trip! Please don't hesitate to message me if you have any more questions, comments, etc.! Take care! Reply to this

12 years ago, October 24th 2011 No: 12 Msg: #145722  
My advise would be to take your plan , tear it up and throw it out the window. You are very young and it is not a matter of one shot at seeing America. Just start out where you want and start working your way around the country staying as long as you want at a location and then moving on to another. Some cities have excellent public transportation so for a first trip it might be best to fly from one of these cites to the other and avail yourself of their public transportation. Pretty much out west you will need a vehicle although some cities such as Denver, San Francisco etc have good public transportation. Before you get to a city go to tripadvisor.com and research their reviews of hotels and they also have a forum for each city you can ask questions on.
Take your time , slow down, and enjoy the trip. Don't get so busy trying to see everything and not see anything. Better 6 cities you take the time to enjoy than several you scan.
If it was me I would try and get a ticket that allowed delays enroute. I would fly to San Francisco, then Denver, then San Antonio, Texas, then Washington DC. Then New York. From New York I would go back to (or Through) San Francisco to Singapore.
[Edited: 2011 Oct 24 07:14 - Sojourner1208:178197 ]
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