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Itinerary help,,,

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I need some itinerary help for first time Europe travel...
15 years ago, January 27th 2009 No: 1 Msg: #61520  
N Posts: 3
Hi everyone... I am new here and I am in need of some advice. My partner and I are looking to go on our first overseas trip to Europe next year in May/June. We have decided on countries and destinations we would like to visit and have worked out that we are able to go away for about 7 weeks. Below is the itinerary I have so far, please can I get some advice as to the number of days allocated to each place and the places we are going and if there is anywhere I havent listed but should visit. Have I also allocated enough time to each destination, or should I not go to any place I have listed?

London 4 days

Paris 3 days
Bordeaux 3 days
Nice (vist Monaco, Cannes & St Tropez) 4 days

Madrid 3 days
Barcelona 3 days

Rome 3 days
Florence (visit Pisa) 3 days
Venice 3 days
Amalfi (visit Capri) 4 days

Dubrovnik 3 days
Spilt 3 days

Athens 3 days
Mykonos 4 days
Santorini 4 days


Thanks heaps :o)
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15 years ago, January 28th 2009 No: 2 Msg: #61543  
B Posts: 74
Travel initiary looks good, though you might want to spend more time in Rome, Athens and Paris. There's so much to see there. Also, if I were you I'd probably skip Madrid. It'll be 40 degrees there (desert) and there isn't that much interesting to see.

Don't know Amalfi, Bordeaux, Nice, Dubrovnik, Splik, Mykonos and Santorini so can't say anything about those places, though generally 3 days is a good schedual for a city (and if you leave your travel initiary a bit open you can always change your mind later.😊

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15 years ago, January 29th 2009 No: 3 Msg: #61626  
B Posts: 277
Hi, re. the Greek part of your trip: Mykonos is an island most known for its intense party life, it is not especially interesting in any other way. Santorini is beautiful but there isn't a lot to do there, except visiting a couple of the villages. I would suggest to stay longer on the mainland (Athens) and go to Delfi, you can do it as a day trip, and it is a wonderful archaelogical site. Probably 3 days for the city sights is enough, and don't miss to go to Sounion (about an hour by car, but there is also bus service). Fantastic temple and setting. There are many other islands than Mykonos and Santorini, closer by and not overrun with tourists (and thus VERY expensive). Crete can be reached by ferry and has so much to offer, beaches, archaelogical sites, pretty villages and two nice cities, Chania and Rethymnon. Closer to Athens are Paros and Naxos. One of my favourites is Andros, where few tourists go (can be reached in two hours from the harbour of Rafina, east of Athens). Rome may also be worth a few more days, as there are so many things to see (don't miss Pompei outside of Napoli, can be done as a daytrip or on the way to Amalfi - which is very beautiful). I don't know why you included Bordeaux, there are many beautiful places in France and Bordeaux is nothing special. The Alps should also be considered, for example going from France to Italy through Switzerland. In central Europe train connections are frequent and it is a fantastic way to travel. Enjoy your trip. Reply to this

15 years ago, January 29th 2009 No: 4 Msg: #61658  
I think that this is a very nice itinerary. I'd agree with the suggestion from Hester for maybe one more day in Paris, but not sure what part you would take out. Possibly take one day out of Nice part of the trip. From what I'm lead to believe the coastal parts of France are not as good as the Amalfi Coast. If you get to Paris, it is essential to make a daytrip to the nearby Palace of Versailles. Rome is also worthy of an extra day, when you consider it will take you all day just to see the Vatican (including the museum).

If you take Inga's suggestion, and visit Pompeii, I would also strongly recommend Herculaneum, I found the ruins to be more impressive than its more famous counterpart. Pompeii was covered in ash which burned much to the ground, but Herculaneum escaped much of the ash and thus was buried intact.

I am going to come to the defence of Madrid here - it has stunning art galleries and amazing architecture. Plus that wonderful Spanish vibe of late night tapas and comradery is truly alive there. I'd only rate it marginally behind Paris as my favourite European city. If you get a chance, take a day trip to the Escorial Monastery - the size of it is something to behold. Pity that you cannot get to Granada to see the absolutely amazing Alhambra (fit it in between Madrid and Barcelona). The Nasrid Palace in the Alhambra is the finest building on the Iberian Peninsula, and one could argue the most sublime building in all of Europe - yes, it is that good.

Overall, this is a very good and sensible itinerary as a few days in each city is a nice way to get an overview of each place and see the best sights. Reply to this

15 years ago, January 30th 2009 No: 5 Msg: #61716  
N Posts: 3
Thanks for all the advice.... We have had a bit more of a think and have also put this itinerary togerther... it is a little bit longer but Spain has been removed and Netherlands, Germany & Austria have been added. Please let me know how this looks...
England London 4

Netherlands Amsterdam 3

Germany Berlin 3
Munich 3

France Paris 4
Nice 4

Austria Vienna 3

Italy Rome 3
Florence (Pisa) 3
Venice 3
Amalfi 4

Croatia Dubrovnik 3
Spilt 3

Greece Athens 3
Mykonos 4
Santorini 4


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15 years ago, January 30th 2009 No: 6 Msg: #61773  
B Posts: 74
Which days did you plan for travelling? Are these included in your plan? Reply to this

15 years ago, February 2nd 2009 No: 7 Msg: #62049  
N Posts: 3
Yes, the travel days are included in the plan. So it would look more like this.

Day 1 Arrive London
Day 2 London
Day 3 London
Day 4 London
Day 5 Depart London / Arrive Netherlands Amsterdam
Day 6 Amsterdam
Day 7 Amsterdam
Day 8 Depart Amsterdam / Arrive Germany Berlin
Day 9 Berlin
Day 10 Berlin
Day 11 Depart Berlin / Arrive Munich
Day 12 Munich
Day 13 Munich
Day 14 Depart Munich / Arrive France Paris
Day 15 Paris
Day 16 Paris
Day 17 Paris
Day 18 Depart Paris / Arrive Nice
Day 19 Nice
Day 20 Nice
Day 21 Nice
Day 22 Depart Nice / Arrive Austria Vienna
Day 23 Vienna
Day 24 Vienna
Day 25 Depart Vienna / Arrive Italy Rome
Day 26 Rome
Day 27 Rome
Day 28 Depart Rome / Arrive Florence
Day 29 Florence
Day 30 Florence
Day 31 Depart Florence / Arrive Venice
Day 32 Venice
Day 33 Venice
Day 34 Depart Venice / Arrive Amalfi
Day 35 Amalfi
Day 36 Amalfi
Day 37 Amalfi
Day 38 Depart Amalfi / Arrive Croatia Split
Day 39 Split
Day 40 Split
Day 41 Depart Split / Arrive Dubrovnik
Day 42 Dubrovnik
Day 43 Dubrovnik
Day 44 Depart Dubrovnik / Arrive Greece Athens
Day 45 Athens
Day 46 Athens
Day 47 Depart Athens / Arrive Mykonos
Day 48 Mykonos
Day 49 Mykonos
Day 50 Depart Mykonos / Arrive Santorini
Day 51 Santorini
Day 52 Santorini
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15 years ago, February 3rd 2009 No: 8 Msg: #62083  
B Posts: 74
If travel days are included in your plan then personally I would suggest visiting less cities and spending more time in the cities you want to visit.. Also try taking night trains/busses (e.g. Eurail/Interrail and Eurolines).

For instance Amsterdam-Berlin is about 6 hours by train (fastest connection) but the train only runs during the day (several times a day if I recall correctly). Which means you 'lose' a day by traveling.
Same goes for London-Amsterdam (and by looking at your schedual it also counts for many other cities)

Also I would suggest picking a city, every couple of weeks orso, where you can stay a bit longer. 2/3 days per city is short, yet workable if you're only traveling for a short amount of time. If you travel for a longer period traveling itself can get quite tiredsome, and you might want to relax a little. Reply to this

15 years ago, February 3rd 2009 No: 9 Msg: #62096  
Wow, your itinierary style looks similar to mine! I tend to do the 3-4 night stay in a place whilst travelling (unless a place is interesting as then I extend it, or shorten it if there is only one or two sights to see). My limit for doing this is about eight weeks after which time I just want to sit in one place for a week. However, each person has a different limit.

Depending on connections, I wonder if the best way to do this journey is the following country route:
UK - France - Netherlands - Germany - Austria - Italy - Croatia - Greece

There may be a bit of backtracking in your itinerary - especially going from Berlin to France and then back to Austria. It is much easier to get to Austria via Germany (Munich in particular).

Just to throw another option into the mix, what about a few days in Prague - it would be best to fit in between the German and Austrian sectors (as in my itinerary). It is an even more beautiful city than Paris.

I totally agree with Hester's suggestion on night trains - it is a great way to cover more territory in a short amount of time. Plus, it also doubles as a night's accommodation - so there can be a saving (but night trains can be expensive). Reply to this

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