Are you religious? If so which religion are you?
What do you get out of being religious?
If you are not religious why not?
It is more of a protestant twist.
As in the protestant religion?
Don't think I will answer much more here,
I was hoping you would answer the bit about what you think about gay rights and the rights of other religions. Oh well, you dont have to if you dont want to. Discussion is optional.
That is what he believes.
Well, we dont in fact know yet if it is what he believes or if it is just what he read in the bible, because he didnt yet make that clear.
George, I also want to know what the bible says should happen if the wife does not submit on to the husband and the children dont obey him. Divorce, Abandonment, beatings, execution, other?
Reply to this Yes, I do indeed believe what Im saying or I wouldnt say it. It would be dishonest of me to say something I didnt believe. And since I got it out of the Bible it is what I believe. He that cometh to God must believe that he is,and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. And no they shouldnt be divorced, abandoned,or executed, but as in the book of Hosea in the Bible be taken back and loved if they will come back otherwise nothing can be done without her freewill in the matter. And as I spoke of these things , I also know we live in a wicked and sinful world of men who abuse their wives and children but a God of love doesnt want that either. But if its possible to keep the family together , it should be done. For the hardness of mens hearts, Moses on his own put in statues for divorce for this very reason of selfish, abusive men, but also Jesus Christ said, From the beginning it was not so. He made them male and female and what God hath joined together let not man put assunder. But by the same token, if the unbelieving depart,let them depart. (I Corinthians Chapter 7. Only with Christ ruling in the heart can we have the right kind of families. Sincerely; George
Reply to this .....without her freewill in the matter.
Nothing can be done without her freewill, yet neither you nor the bible recognise her equality to you.
Reply to this Actually that is exactly what he said. You must have free will or it is worthless.
Reply to this You must have free will or it is worthless.
Would you explain this comment more. It does not seem to explain what George said. As far as I understand, both he and the bible say that his wife is second to him. ie she is not his equal.
Truely, I am shocked. I always thought that many people take what is said in the bible with a grain of salt, even if they are religious. I did not know that there are ones that take it literally. There is nothing spiritual about what I have been reading on this thread in the last week. I have to ask, what is the actual point of religion if it is to be used to wield prejudice. It may in parts mention love, but it is also about hate and prejudice.
Anyway, Dympna would you explain to me as I asked before what the bible says about gay rights and the rights of people of other religions, preferably with a bible quote.
Reply to this No the God of the Bible is not a God of hate at all ! But the Bible does not teach that one is superior to the other only that they different roles in the family unit that was originally started by God not man. If God and the Holy Bible arent spiritual , I dont know what is ! This is why we need an authority on matters above our own thoughts and opinions or the opinions of others. This is what the word of God can do for those who believe it first. Sincerely; George
Reply to this Different, eh! Different can be a recognition that people are different but equal or else it can be a way to justify prejudice. If your wife is required to submit unto you, then whether God states that she is inferior or not, it is implied. Prejudice is hate. There is not other way to look at it.
If God and the Holy Bible arent spiritual , I dont know what is !
Spirituality is independent of your particular God image and the bible. I thought this is common knowledge. Spirituality is something that has always been around. Christianity has not. A knowledge of what spirituality is with preferably experience of connecting with it, is afterall at the root or what would enable you to not only tolderate but accept the validity of other religions besides your own.
How is it possible to actually accept other religions and people who find their connection with spirituality in other ways besides official religion if you really believe that your image of god and the bible are the only ways to connect with spirituality.
Reply to this Ok, when you have another child - you are supposed to love them exactly the same. No difference now - despite the fact that they are very different people and require different need. No - if you didn't do it for the first - you can't do it for the second. That would be prejudice.
Men are required to serve their wives. Does not sound very prejudice to me.
Reply to this Men are required to serve their wives. Does not sound very prejudice to me.
Looks like when it comes down to it, you can likely quote something from the bible to justify or ''explain'' just about anything. It seems to be just a grey mass of text that could mean anything at all. I suppose that is how it managed to influence so many people. It agreed with them all, and it did not care for which reasons, so long as they kept giving gifts to the church and encouraging governments to pay for its upkeep, or in the bad old days to encourage armies to plunder, murder and pillage to finance its decadence.
Reply to this We have similar with the fasting in the Catholic faith. During Lent we have a fast - although not as hard as the Muslim fast - it is one full meal a day, two lesser meals not to equal a full meal. Liquids anytime. Meat once a day, except on Friday no meat. But you don't have to start it until you are 21 and there are acceptations made for certain people. Pregnant or nursing mothers do not have to follow the fast. Those who do hard labor - where they need their strength do not have to follow the fast. Or if there is a medical reason it is not followed.
This is a prayer for us. It is a sacrifice to offer back to God for our sins. It is also to pray for charity in the world.
Reply to this It is one full meal a day, two lesser meals not to equal a full meal. Liquids anytime. Meat once a day, except on Friday no meat.
That does not seem like sacrifice at all. That is how much I eat most days, but without the meat. I never eat meat. I dont consider myself to be sacrificing though.
I grew up in a Catholic community. For the 40 days of lent we would deprive ourselves of something we really loved. Kids often choose candy. I really felt like I was sacrificing when I had to say no thank you to the candy I was offered during that time, because taking it and hoarding it was against the rules according to my religion teacher.
Reply to this When you do it for the whole of Lent and you can't just eat without thinking about it - it does become a sacrifice. And the meals are very small. Often times I cut back on the meals from what is required.
Reply to this When you do it for the whole of Lent
But, I eat moderately almost everyday, and not just during lent. Otherwise I would grow, and I dont mean spiritually.
But, spirituality speaking(which is not necessarily religiously speaking) I think the purpose of depriving ourselves temporarily of something, is to allow us to feel appreciation for something ordinary again. Though religion, for some reason, has turned it into a martyr thing.
I think all religions have this ritual of depriving ourselves temporarily. Anyone know what the other religions besides Catholism and Islam do?
Reply to this Well, if we were to dig up all the crimes against humanity done in the name of Christianity.........
Thankfully, countries with their roots in Christianity have been lucky enough to establish fairly sturdy democracy with fairly effective legislation to protect people from religion. Christianity has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Many Islamic countries have not been so lucky......
Reply to this On the contrary - we have established the democracy. You would not have it without us. Sorry - no honor killing like that in Christianity! It is not in our Bible! It is not in our Tradition!
Reply to this But I bet if we were to take an indept look, we would find it is not just Islam and Christianity who are guilty, in this respect.
Reply to this On the contrary - we have established the democracy.
HaHa! You are joking?
So many Christian rules clash with the laws of most/all countries who have their roots in Christianity. I will see if I can dig some of them up. For a start, it is not acceptable to hit homosexuals with a stick. In fact, there is no law against homosexuality in most of the countries.
And rape is always illegal. That does not depend on whether the women screamed loud enough or not.
And stonings are absolutely illegal, even if you feel somebody deserves it or if you quote the bible.
Lets face it, we established already in msg 129 that Christianity is far from sincere. Hell, do they have any real important days of their own. Christmas is stolen, All Saints Day is stolen......... As far as I can see, they plucked anything from society that would serve their needs, and it is just incidental if they hit upon some democratic ideals.
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