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Political situation is good for travelling in China in August?

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I'll go to China in August 2008 starting from Xinjiang and trought the countries of Gansu, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Henan until Beijiing. I wanna know if in your opinion the political situation will be good for a travel in those countries of China.
16 years ago, May 12th 2008 No: 1 Msg: #35039  
I'll go to China in August 2008 starting from Xinjiang and trought the countries of Gansu, Shaanxi, Shanxi, Henan until Beijiing. I wanna know if in your opinion the political situation will be good for a travel in those countries of China. If you are coming from one of those countries please give me an advice about my next travel and uùinform me about the situation you have found there.
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16 years ago, May 13th 2008 No: 2 Msg: #35163  
Hello Alfredo 😊

I am not sure it is possible to predict what the political situation will be.
I dont think political unrest and/or even major riots are out of the question.

The Chinese government are trying to squash all would be political rebellion by putting people in prison who may get politically active during the Olympics. But the media eye will be on China so others may feel it is worth the risk and protest against the human rights situation in their country.

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15 years ago, May 29th 2008 No: 3 Msg: #36723  
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I'm in Beijing right now and things seems pretty stable. The government isn't allowing any large scale functions of any kind, so they're really keeping a close watch on things. Xinjiang might be a bit more explosive but I wouldn't know. Tibet too- but I'm pretty sure you'll be ok wherever you go. Reply to this

15 years ago, June 24th 2008 No: 4 Msg: #39743  
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in fact , the Chinese govenmnet are never trying to squash civilian unless someones want to divide the country .
some of you has never been to tibet , i suggest you to visit the beautiful place then youwill find everything is fine , Reply to this

15 years ago, June 24th 2008 No: 5 Msg: #39744  
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by the way i am Chinese. welcome to my motherland Reply to this

15 years ago, June 24th 2008 No: 6 Msg: #39748  
Hello Timreh 😊

What do you mean by trying to divide the country?
Who would be doing that and how would they be doing it?

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15 years ago, June 24th 2008 No: 7 Msg: #39753  
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HI MELL
TAKE it easy~~
I believe most people are kindly and friendly , but just a little are bad-man
it s difficult to explain that by my poor english ,Y~ maybe you can understand .or not
AS we know TIBEt is one provinces of China , but dalai who is a monk . i dont know foreigner how to call him who is always want TIBET to independence .
Donot discuss about these, just talk about tour ,
enjoy yourself
GOD LUCK Reply to this

15 years ago, June 24th 2008 No: 8 Msg: #39755  

Do not discuss about these, just talk about tour.



I like to talk about things like that Timreh. I find it interesting to hear the points of view of others.

....dalai who is a monk . i dont know foreigner how to call him ....



Do you mean the Dalai Lama? What do you think about him? Reply to this

15 years ago, June 25th 2008 No: 9 Msg: #39858  
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OK I will tell somethings about DAlai,maybe the history that i will tell you have not heard before ,then talk about Taiwan
FIRST , Dalai Lama is only a title that does not a person~s name and who hold this title he will be one of the Spiritual leaders of the TIBET s Buddhism . now this Dala Lama is the fourteen Dalai Lama . the word Dalai means the sea, Lama means who is above the other man . the word Dalai lama is Mongolian
TIbet is always a part of CHINA . the title Dalai had been given by the king of China , you can find the trace from a book calld 《宗教源流考》.
before 1959 A.D. , Tibet is always in slave society ! DO you know that ? the PLA want to change the old society, but the Dalai refused then he went to India . some years ago, there was a crime in Tibet , their lead called them to fight with local civil ,destory shop . donot you think he is terriorst ? Reply to this

15 years ago, June 25th 2008 No: 10 Msg: #39861  
No, I dont think the Dalai Lama is a terrorist. Nothing I heard him say would indicate that. He does want Tibet to be free but I think he does not want to achieve it in the way that many Tibetans want to achieve it.

The Dalai Lama is in exile in India and in danger from the Chinese government. According to the Chinese government he committed a crime but morally I dont think he did.

What is the PLA?

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15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 11 Msg: #39940  
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THE PLA is Chinese army.
there is a mistake in my last message. "some years ago" is wrong that s some months ago, in March , hadnot you heard somethings from Tibet?
I had said before Dalai Lama went out of TIbet , the Tibet was in SLAVE society .

and the Dalai said he want Tibet to be free ? whats the "free" he refered to ? the Tibet ~s civil to be free ? or the Tibet is to be free by his governance for a new country? and if he refer to the second , he is dividing my motherland . maybe u always hold the view which is Tibet is not to be free and civil lived in suppressing ?
i wonder how dou you have this mind ?
have u been to Tibet ? are u heard the Tibet~s civil say"i am not free"?
If not ~ how do you know Tibet is not peaceful ?

i strongly suggest you to visit Tibet for listenning and looking . Reply to this

15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 12 Msg: #39955  
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Hi Timreh,

Actually I have been to Tibet. I witnessed a deep dissatisfaction with the Chinese government while I was there. I also met people who believed that the Dalai Lama abandoned his people. Obviously, this is a very difficult and tense issue. I do know, though, that the PLA massacred plenty of Tibetans when it invaded the sovereign state of Tibet. I heard gruesome stories, passed down by generations, of the atrocities committed by the Chinese government- all from Tibetans while I was living there. Historically, and culturally, Tibet is seperate from China. It has a distinct, unique culture quite different from Han practices.

It is true China has done a lot for Tibet, investing in infrastructure and education. However, it has also done much to dissolve traditional Tibetan culture and society by diluting the Tibetan population with an influx of Han settlers. It was invaded illegally- which is pretty hard to deny. I think a sovereign Tibet is a long term goal for most Tibetans- but a peaceful path is the best way to accomplish this. And the Dalai Lama would most certainly agree. Reply to this

15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 13 Msg: #39960  

I had said before Dalai Lama went out of TIbet , the Tibet was in SLAVE society .



Do you mean they were slaves to the Dalai Lama? Well, he is their respected religious leader. Personally I think it would be a good thing if Tibettans listen to the Dalai Lama more than they do.

A lot of Tibettans do not want to be part of China. They do not feel that it is their land and want to govern themselves. At the very least I think they should be allowed to publicly express this desire without fear.


..are u heard the Tibet~s civil say"i am not free"? ...



Well, yes I have. There are some brave ones who take the risk of being interviewed by the Western media.

i strongly suggest you to visit Tibet for listenning and looking .



I could listen to Tibettans speaking on this forum. I saw posts from Chinese people who approve of the Chinese government but none who dont. In your opinion, why are there no Tibettans speaking on this forum? Also there must be Chinese people who do not approve of the Chinese government. I met one the last time I was in Dublin and had a very interesting conversation with him. Why do people like him not speak on this forum?
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15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 14 Msg: #39961  
Anyway Timreh, you seem to be confident that there will be no unrest in China during the Olympics?? Well, at least that is good for foreigners who are going to see the Olympics. Reply to this

15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 15 Msg: #40008  
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why are there no Tibettans speaking on this forum?

I dont know ~ but i am sure just a little Tibettans can speak English, and do you go to China forums which forums are used Chinese . Tibet now is also a very poor place . i went to there 2 years ago , MOSTof them were poor , most of them did not go out of China . if you have not gone there ,you really dont know what they think.

YOU tell the "the Western media" , I donot how to say that ! . NOW most of Chinese people are rejecting BBC!
DO you know the BBC garble the truth about a affair happened in Tibet in March , i am very angry with that . they used fake photos on their Website. how can we intrustion West media.

Maybe you can meet Chinese people in Western Country who tell you how Chinese terrible she is. last year I
had been to Paris , i saw a women who is Chinese publicized negative about China , so i asked her politely : 中国真的那样么?( is China really that?) , the women was ashamed 😞混口饭吃,拿点钱,在外面生活不容易) only for meal , lived in abroad is hard , if I do that my master will give my salary.
MEll ,how many people like u really know the truth , so if u canot to Tibet ,u will never know the truth.


Anyway Timreh, you seem to be confident that there will be no unrest in China during the Olympics?? Well, at least that is good for foreigners who are going to see the Olympics.

i cannot comprehend what you say
do you think Chinese government will persecute foreigners? if that , u really do not know China and make a deep mistake about China
or , do you mean who will raid Chinese during the Olympics ? if someones who raid Chinese ,but it ~s not duty to him but duty to CHINA . can i comprehend that the 911 event are not duty to the terrores but duty the U.S. , what a absurd thought
At my first message in the forum , i said "in fact , the Chinese govenmnet are never trying to squash civilian unless someones want to divide the country "
none of Chinese people can bear anyone who want divide their motherland
can you bear one of the U.S. places make independence ?


I find you usually use the word " I think" that is unfair to CHINA ,
if i have been teached that the U.S. is alway a terrible country and my parents tell me the U.S is a autarchy , and always fake things or negative tings for the U.S. ,, and the people who tell me that never have been to the U.S.! Reply to this

15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 16 Msg: #40014  
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dongbeixizou
you said " However, it has also done much to dissolve traditional Tibetan culture and society by diluting the Tibetan population with an influx of Han settlers. "
when i see what you wrote , i am very surprise .
if a rich man help a poor man , you will say : the rich man made poor man lost his ability . if a rich man does not help a poor man ,you will say : the rich man is a miser.
both of that are bad ..

"Historically, and culturally, Tibet is seperate from China. It has a distinct, unique culture quite different from Han practices."

once you define TIbet is separate from China , maybe u always define TIbet is separate from China ,despite ,there are lots of evidences about Tibet always is a part of China
.
you can find the trace from 《宗教源流考 , if really want to find. Reply to this

15 years ago, June 26th 2008 No: 17 Msg: #40015  

DO you know the BBC garble the truth about a affair happened in Tibet in March , i am very angry with that . they used fake photos on their Website. how can we intrustion West media.


Are you saying that the BBC actually in some way made photos rather than take them? Why would they do this? Also, in your opinion why would the BBC lie about what happened in Tibet in March? Would they have something to gain from doing so?

do you think Chinese government will persecute foreigners?


No, but political demonstrations might take place or riots.

....can you bear one of the U.S. places make independence ?


I often wonder why so many object to regions having their independence.
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15 years ago, June 27th 2008 No: 18 Msg: #40123  
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I think in some Westen Countrise , the readers can be attracted by criticizing Chinese , and maybe also by political purposes.
i think you do not intrust me . Can you give me links with photos about that (events happened in Tibet in march) , i will find the place that Westen Media made fake Reply to this

15 years ago, June 27th 2008 No: 19 Msg: #40127  
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I often wonder why so many object to regions having their independence


YE~~you said so many!
that is very natural , there are so many people in your country: good man , bad man , police , and criminal and so on. can I ask why are these so many criminal in your country , does your country is unrest ?

and can i ask you a question ? u are always interesting in the peoloe who wants Tibet to be independence , but have you ever asked Chinese people this question :do you love your Country and do you think Tibet is not belongs to China ? Reply to this

15 years ago, June 27th 2008 No: 20 Msg: #40128  

I think in some Westen Countrise , the readers can be attracted by criticizing Chinese...


People talk about what is in the news whether it is postitive or negative. I dont think they do it just to critisise China or any other country. People read or watch the news and then give their opinion about it.

Anyway Timreh, this thread is about the possibility of unrest in China during the Olympics....

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