One book I would recommend on this subject is Liberal Fascism. It is a study of how political systems work. Until we can understand how it is supposed to work, we can't fix it. Governments cannot be run on emotion. Governments are over stepping their bounds and have been for a long time. We are giving up freedoms for security. They are legislating 'good ideas' which should be left up to us to make the errors. Yes it is good to have a seat belt on. But it should never be a law! People who do not wear them should be made to suffer the consequences of their actions or in-actions. And if they cause damage to others by it, then they should be liable for it. Government cannot rush in and 'save' people from their stupidity. When we quit enabling people to be stupid, they might just get smarter. But as it is now, the government will steel my tax dollars to bail out stupidity! I am tried of paying for such things.
People tell us we should not talk about politics. The reason is so we don't object to what they are doing to take away our freedoms.
Reply to this Fascism: What a word to just carelessly throw about, and boy does Goldberg throw it about.......
Governments cannot be run on emotion.
Lets examine the seat belt situation with cold hard statisics, and leave out the mindless emotion.
According to statistics, those who do not wear a seat belt are more likely to die or sustain permanent brain damage on impact with windscreen during collision, than those who do wear a seat belt.
Do you really believe that this person who dies or left permanently brain damaged is the only one who is going to have to pay for this? Presumably this person who can no longer work has no insurance, because there would not be a law to force them to protect themselves, their dependents, the others involved in the car collision...... And they will no longer be eligible to pay taxes. The professional expertise they provided is no longer available to the company they worked for, so they have to be replaced....... etc etc etc.
Reply to this Those who suffer with them, should have been on him to wear it w/o a law. It is not the government's place to place such laws on us. In doing so they are working us into a mindset of the government is in charge of everything and all answers come from the government. This is dangerous and it is what fascism is. The government runs everything. Every aspect of your life is based upon what law it affects.
Those who have lived in Soviet Block countries and saw how those governments came about are afraid of what is happening in this country now. They are using the same methods.
Reply to this This is dangerous and it is what fascism is.
It is nonsense to use words like Fascism, Nazism..... to describe things, just because you dont agree with them. Are you familiar with Godwins Law?
They are using the same methods.
Which methods?
Torture, beatings, imprisonment, putting in mental asylums, deportation to gulags in wastelands and execution of people who did not agree with the government?
Reply to this Propaganda is how they are doing it. Read Liberal Fascism. It explains it far better than I can.
Reply to this Propaganda is how they are doing it.
Ah, I see what you are getting at. You think there is a conspiracy theory and they are all in on it?
Reply to this No need for conspiracy. It is out in the open, we just need to open our eyes.
Reply to this It is not that simple. The book is several hundred pages long and you want me to be able to sum it up in a few lines? The whole aspect of where we are did not happen over night. It took many years of inculcating into society, so much so that we often can no longer see the lies we are being told. "Tell a lie often enough and everyone will believe it." (I don't remember who said it.)
Reply to this I hated this book. The writer (just as many people from USA that I had the oportunity to talk with) hates that the government places laws regulating things that they consider "freedons". But he don't mind when the government sets Death Penalty or when the banks takes off peoples house or when their soldiers do abominable things with prisioners. The writer consider important thing such as public doctors and public university as "communist". In one sentence, he says that liberals are the new fascists and that the right-conservative is the sollution for USA (and for the world). He says that propaganda is ruled by the liberals and that are making a plan to rule the world. What he don't see is that conservatives started multiple wars and their propaganda is supporting these wars and supporting prejudice against the Islamic religion (that is different of terrorists... there are catolic terrorists too, such as KKK in my opinion). I'm really disapponted that Obama didn'f finished the attrocities that Bush started....
I love politics and love to discuss. The problem is when people takes personal when you say something against their political views. I have great friends that think just the oposite of me (and we discuss a lot about politics!)
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Reply to this Zeca - I can appreciate it when it is a civil discussion. Too often when people don't agree with me they just get mad.
I do believe that fascist and liberals are far more in line with each other than the conservative side.
Frankly this war is not against Islam. It is against governments that are tyrannical and harbor the terrorists that harmed my country. I have problems with the Islamic religion, but that is not why we are at war! They have bent over backwards to show this in so many ways. And this war was started long ago by the other side, we just finally started fighting back. How many different places needed to be bombed before we fought back? How many of those countries had already declared war on us before we fought back? How many school books over there call us the great Satan and that it is good to do evil to us before we fought back? How many times did we turn on the TV to see our flag burned before we fought back? You need to look at it from the other side also. No it was not the conservative who started this war.
I have no use for the KKK - it is an evil to the core organization. Please do not confuse them with being conservative.
Obama isn't that different from Bush. I am not fooled by either of them. Obama is actually Bush on steroids, both headed down the same path of elitist BS.
Reply to this Hey, this is discuss politic! :D
Well, first of all we can't forget that nazism is an expression of extreme-right politics.
Secong, the war is not against terrorists (not anymore), but it's for oil and political domination in a part of the world that USA don't had any influence. I don't believe in "protective wars" or anything like this. US army is killing children and inocents and haven't even found Bin Laden yet. Sorry, but I am a pacifist and I don't believe that wars are necessary. Thay are destroing countries based on simple suspicions
And about tyrany, probably they teach it in schools in USA, but north-american government with the CIA helped and suported the military dictadures in south america in the 60's, dictadures that killed hundred of people. This is not a theory, there are tons of documents that prove it. USA government is not worried about the freedon in the world, that are worried about their influence area.
I think it's better create a new topic about it. Our discussion is changing the subjetc of this topic, don't you think? 😊
About the topic: I think that discuss politics is important because it helps to open our minds and accept the diferences. I don't think that talk about politics is just important: it's necessary! 😊
Reply to this Where is the US military going out and targeting innocent women and children? Or is it the extremists who are going out and blowing themselves up that are targeting them? Should we allow them to continue to target these women and children with their bombs?
How many schools have been built by the US military? I have contributed to many boxes going over there with school supplies and the such. How many hospitals have been built by our funds? Hospitals that are saving lives today.
There are bad areas of our government - no argument there. But then that is because of the entrenched politicians that need to go. We keep electing the same morons. I do question the vote anymore. I do not believe in Democracy. Democracy always turns to an evil side. We are not supposed to be a Democracy but a Republic - there is a difference and it does concern me when they go out and say they are creating Democracies all over the world.
Do you know how much we have spent to try and bring some civility to the area? Before we were in there the people were suffering far more than they are now - at least in Iraq at this point. Afghanistan is far behind what Iraq now is. The local people buy their gas cheep! Sometimes it has gone as low as $0.15 per gallon while I am paying threw the nose for mine. How did this help me again? But I do know that when we finally had the bans lifted on drilling in this country OPEC lowered the price of a barrel of oil to a point where our drillers could not afford to drill. They did not want us to quit buying from us, so they made it so we could not supply ourselves. But it is all our fault that we are stuck buying there?
If wars were not needed Husein would still be putting people through box shredders feet first. His sons would still be picking out grade school children to rape. Sorry evil is real and needs to be dealt with. Pacifism is a bit of a Utopia. The Jews could not 'nice' their way out of Hitler's grip.
I don't know what happened in Africa in the 60's, so will not speak to that subject as I have no basis to do so.
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