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Womens rights

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How does the progress compare in the various countries?
14 years ago, September 22nd 2009 No: 1 Msg: #87004  

Yes you right when a Pakistani women see a western women traveling all alone in Pakistan She get that feeling why she cannot


That is at least much better than I thought. I thought they pass judgements on the our morals when they see us travelling alone. I have heard so often, western women being judged in that way.

But this is truth the Pakistani People want woman to give respect to a man...


If your thinking is correct, then it looks like women are discovering that they too deserve respect.

In few of your point I am agree with you the Pakistani women don't have that much rights which we have.


That will surely change. Look how long it took for us to get the rights we have here in Europe, and we still have some ways to go before things are completely fair.

They think might this is not safe for the girls.


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14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 2 Msg: #87064  
In few of cases I am agree with Pakistani People. The woman is not safe even in western country. She is still getting targeting and reaping and every body pick up the finger on girl which is alone and every body still take advantage when see a women is alone. I think women is not safe any where. We are only safe when we are with our Father,Brother, Or Husband. The rest of the people are just waiting to get chance. Might for the western is nothing sex before marriage. But I saw in Pakistan and i find out 99% girls are virgin and that is Families responsibilities to look after girl till she get married. I saw in Pakistan might 1 in 10000 get divorce.
The rest of the girl will take care full responsibility of the house and man work out side and they are very happy.
In Europe and America Husband and wife work and they are not happy they cannot say anything to each other they do what ever they want and they breakup very quick
western are different the girl go out sleep with boy might they broke up after 2 month then she find again some body and might after 2 years again they breakup and end up might girl will loss interest in marriage or she become a street girl.
I think the Pakistani women are much more safe then the other country. But if we say no we are safer then the Pakistani woman then i think we are wrong.

In my last up date"when a Pakistani women see a western women traveling all alone in Pakistan She get that feeling why she cannot"

But I think if she come to know before marriage a western woman sleep with so many boys to find who is going to take care her She will never think to be come independent.




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14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 3 Msg: #87068  
I think for sure more safety and security is needed for women everywhere, but this sould not come at the expense of our rights and freedom.

I think a big part of the problems we have in the west is that women are still learning how best to use their freedom. Naturally they will make mistakes. I dont think the solution is to step back 100 years. Anyone who thinks things were better when we did not have so many rights, then is not considering the circumstances that caused women to risk standing up for their rights.

But, the world is by far out of balance on the male side. Balance will eventually be restored, as more and more female values are incorporated into the power systems. I wish this was going to happen in my life time, because I would love to see what the world is like then, but I think it will take a couple of centuries at least before balance is restored.

The rest of the people are just waiting to get chance.


I think that is exaggerated. Women are only unsafe in the presence of men who have criminal tendancies. I feel safe with most men here. I also know that the law supports my safety. Those rape laws in Pakistan give the message that the law does not support womens right to safety. What kind of message does this give to men.

I think the Pakistani women are much more safe then the other country. But if we say no we are safer then the Pakistani woman then i think we are wrong.


Have you compared the way in which domestic violence is dealt with by the police, social systems and law for Pakistan and the UK?

But I think if she come to know before marriage a western woman sleep with so many boys to find who is going to take care her She will never think to be come independent.


Lots of men will want her. My boyfriend and father of my baby is not my first partner.
I think, if women blame western freedom for things, they are not taking enough responsibility for their own decisions. A bit sad, when that is the case!
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14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 4 Msg: #87087  
Hi Mell,
Q: Have you compared the way in which domestic violence is dealt with by the police, social systems and law for Pakistan and the UK?
Ans:Yes I agree with you is not the same there is big difference between Pakistan and UK. But right now Pakistani People are getting aware and Pakistani Media is also bringing up very small topic and I think it will take time if we compare the Law between Pakistan and UK. And Pakistani People need support from Foreign Media also.
Because if we want to help some body for there right so we have to help them to fix there downfall.

We don't have to forget A woman (Late Banzeer Bhoto) was a Prime minister and was a chair person of the Party. Right now a woman is a Speaker of Pakistani National Assembly. So we cannot say that Pakistani woman are very back word. But we can help them to improve there capability and Pakistani woman can stand with the other world.

I think we have to add topic " How can Pakistani women defend herself "or how can we help a Pakistani woman. or what thing need to be change in Pakistan so a woman will have there right.

Thank you for your time..

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14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 5 Msg: #87091  
Although the participation of women in politics is increasing, the presence of women in the political parties as well as in the political structure at the local, provincial, and national levels remains insignificant due to cultural and structural barriers.

Fatima Jinnah, sister of Mohammad Ali Jinnah, was an instrumental figure in the Pakistan movement. In 1947, she formed the Woman's Relief Committee, which later formed the nucleus for the All Pakistan Woman's Association (APWA). She was the first Muslim woman to contest the presidency in 1965, as a candidate of the Combined Opposition Party.

Begum Shaista Ikramullah was the first woman elected member of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan.

Begum Ra'ana Liaquat Ali Khan was a women's rights activists. She was the founder of the All Pakistan Women's Association. Begum Nusrat Bhutto wife of Prime Minister Zulfikhar Ali Bhutto, led the Pakistani delegation to the United Nations' first women's conference in 1975.

Benazir Bhutto was the first female Prime Minister of Pakistan and the first woman elected to head a Muslim country.

Dr.Fehmida Mirza is the first female speaker of the National Assembly of Pakistan. Other prominent female Pakistani politicians include Begum Nasim Wali Khan, Raja Farzana, Syeda Abida Hussain, Sherry Rehman and Tehmina Daultana.

Mukhtaran Mai a victim of gang rape has become a prominent activist for womens rights in Pakistan.
I think Women in Pakistan have progressed in various fields of life such as politics, education, economy, services, health and many more.
The Pakistani woman still need to come up and show there self but still The violence against women in Pakistan is a major problem. Feminists and women's groups in Pakistan have criticized the Pakistani government and its leaders for whitewashing the persecution of women and trying to suppress information about their plight in the international arena.Skepticism and biased attitudes against women's complaints of violence are common among prosecutors, police officers and medicolegal doctors in Pakistan. According to reports from 1990s, such complaints often face delayed/mishandled processing and inadequate/improper investigations.

Thank for the time I love to Talk about woman right.....I wish also in our Life if we get all the right. Reply to this

14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 6 Msg: #87093  

I think it will take time if we compare the Law between Pakistan and UK. And Pakistani People need support from Foreign Media also.


Indeed! It would be good if there is more freedom of the press in Pakistan.

I dont think Pakistani women are backward either. But they could do with equal social, education and working rights. Life is too precious to be restricted by sexist ideas and laws. It is a waste of life. So much of what women would have contributed to the world has been lost, because of oppression. This needs to be acknowledged and then changes made for the future.

I think we have to add topic " How can Pakistani women defend herself "or how can we help a Pakistani woman. or what thing need to be change in Pakistan so a woman will have there right.


Do you have some suggestions, about this?
My personal opinion is that police and government need to make it safe for women to stand up for their rights. I dont think Pakistani women should have to go through what the early members of the womens rights movement went through here in Europe. Surely, what women here have gone through should pave a way for women in Pakistan. They should be allowed to hold demonstrations and have political meetings to discuss their rights and what they are going to do, without fear of reprisal. This is what we have been lucky enough to gain here in Europe over the last 20 years.
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14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 7 Msg: #87094  

The Pakistani woman still need to come up and show there self but still The violence against women in Pakistan is a major problem.


I think there might also be the fear of losing what is currently available to them. They have learned to live with a certain situation and gain what they could from it. If they consider change, then they have to deal with the prospect of an uncertain outcome. Probably uncertainty is what no mother wants for her daugther, so the older generations of women may discourage their daughters from persuing more rights, in the hope that they will get lucky with the current traditions and get a successful, wealthy, nice man and have children.

And, I think some of the older generation may fear what they see in the west. They may want to see other women showing an example of the new ways working before they encourage their own daughters to abandon the old ways. Western women can not yet show this glowing success, because they are still struggling to find out what to do with their own rights. But one thing is for sure, very few women over here want to go back to the old days when they werent allowed to work for reasonable wages, where marital rape and violance was legally accepted, where they werent allowed to vote...... Reply to this

14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 8 Msg: #87096  

I wish also in our Life if we get all the right.


Things will get alright. If not for us, then maybe for our daughters or grand daughters. In the meantime, we can feel the reassurance that there are womens groups in all countries relentlessly fighting for our rights. It is sad that these groups are needed though.

I think untimately greediness is responsible for all discrimination, and not just discrimination against women. The world belongs to everybody and there is no real reason why the current dominant groups should have more access to wealth, autonomy and rights than the others. Reply to this

14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 9 Msg: #87099  
7 posts merged into this topic from: Pakistan as a single female??? Reply to this

14 years ago, September 23rd 2009 No: 10 Msg: #87100  

I think we have to add topic " How can Pakistani women defend herself "or how can we help a Pakistani woman. or what thing need to be change in Pakistan so a woman will have there right.


I made a new thread for womens rights in general. Reply to this

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