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Hai Phong, Vietnam or bust

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I am a new TEFL teacher who just accepted a year contract for Hai Phong, Vietnam. I have no previous experience in Asia... HELP!
12 years ago, April 20th 2012 No: 1 Msg: #155059  
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I am more excited than nervous about my move in July to Hai Phong. I know it will be worlds different then my life here in San Diego, California! I am not sure what to expect, living in another country is much different then if I were just visiting. I learned that when I lived in Ibiza.... ANYWAYS does anyone have advice, things I should do before I arrive, things I need or are hard to get in Vietnam, advice on how women dress, etc etc. I know there aren't many foreigners that stay in Hai Phong, but I am hoping to make lots of new friends and learn Vietnamese.

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12 years ago, April 21st 2012 No: 2 Msg: #155074  
Have you checked out our blog? We lived there for a year in 2008-9 as teachers at Apollo. It's become a lot more westernised since we were there. I think you may be surprised at how many foreigners there are there.

Anyway, happy to answer any questions about it, so fire away..... Reply to this

12 years ago, April 23rd 2012 No: 3 Msg: #155195  
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Hey! I have been reading over your blog, it has some great stories and helpful information and insight!! Thank you. I dont really have any specific questions.. I guess I am just unsure as to what to expect.

I am going alone, and I dont have a clue about any of the other teachers at my school. I guess I am a little nervous if I will be able to make friends and have someone to travel around with.

Also I am a beach girl, and I love my short shorts and tiny bikinis. Are there certain things a girl shouldn't wear? Reply to this

12 years ago, April 24th 2012 No: 4 Msg: #155196  
Which school is it? Apollo, VATC and Tynedale have a few teachers. Ask the company to put you in touch with some of the teachers who are there now.

The nice thing about Haiphong is that teachers mix with other expats so you will meet people working in ship building and fashion, as well as locals with good English. There is a bar called Julie's where a lot of foreigners hang out. You can find it on facebook.

Haiphong doesn't have a beach. You will have to go to Cat Ba Island to wear beach clothes. Remember that the north of Vietnam has four seasons, so in winter you will need warmer clothes - take jeans and at least one jumper/fleece and proper shoes as sometimes it's too cold for flipflops, or whatever, at night. During the summer it's tropical, so you'll be o.k then. As we said in our blog, there is a lot of staring in Haiphong. Partly it's because people haven't seen many foreigners, and partly because staring is acceptable in Vietnamese culture. They will stare at you anyway, so if you are uncomfortable about this, then think about what you are wearing.

Vietnamese girls wear short shorts, but it seems to be less acceptable to show your belly in public (correct me if I'm wrong, Hong Ha or someone Vietnamese). A vest top (I think you call them tank tops) will be better.

Hope this helps

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12 years ago, April 24th 2012 No: 5 Msg: #155197  
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hahahahaha I definitely dont have to worry about showing my tummy in public... i like to keep that covered in regular clothing! great tips though.

I will be working at Trung Tâm Ngoại Ngữ Tin Học
Đặng Tuấn (TCN English School)

Address: 02/79 Chợ Đôn Str.,
Nghĩa Xá Ward, Lê Chân Dist.,
Haiphong, Vietnam
(sorry the text doesn't translate into this format)

I will try and get in contact with other teachers there, thats a great idea!

I've been reading more of your blogs! It seems like you had an amazing time in HaiPhong.. I'm really excited. Reply to this

12 years ago, May 1st 2012 No: 6 Msg: #155549  
I lived in Hanoi for 7 months as a volunteer, a little different to Hai Phong in some aspects, but the same in many others...

Firstly, dont be scared of anything I have written, I'm only trying to prepare you, not scare you off! It's better that you know these things now, than after you arrive. My time in Vietnam was the best year of my life, and I wouldn't change a single thing that happened, good or bad, because I learnt from each.

Travel in Vietnam is very, very cheap. Make sure you allocate at least a week (depends on how much money and time you have) to travel throughout Vietnam.
You can catch a cheap public bus from most places to Hanoi, including Hai Phong, and stay in the Aussy Backpackers or a cheap hotel for the weekend if you need an escape to a semi-Western world. Make sure you take your passport with you to every hotel, (even though you’re living in the country, you are still a foreigner).

As for safety, I can’t say enough: You can never be too safe, too precautious, too paranoid. I am all of these things multiplied, and I still managed to get in some strife.

The Vietnamese are very distrusting of creditcards, so you wont be able to use it as a credit card (except at the Hanoi French Hospital: I used it there), but you can use it as a bank card. In Vietnam, the main foreign bank is ANZ, so if you are with them, great. You shouldn’t have too much trouble locating ATMs that accept your cards.

I really enjoyed teaching, especially since I had such a range of classes and agegroups. My youngest student was 2 years old, and my eldest 36! Most of the teaching materials I brought over were quite useless, and I learnt to think on my feet and teach with the bare essentials. A few of my classes didnt even have a blackboard or whiteboard (and chalk is always an issue to find!) let alone a cd player or tv! Learn as many songs as you can, do not count on having a photocopier, or your students having pens or paper.

Despite it being hard work, and having a few issues at the start, I have really enjoyed working in VN. The younger students are gorgeous, the highschool studets were awful, but amusing, but the best thing was seeing the improvement in the college students' English. They went from barely being able to say hello, to disscussing topics with me. To know that I helped them achieve that is priceless. I will always look back on Vietnam as being lifechanging.

Food/Health

My partner and I were sick (as in vomiting) once a week for 2months. In that time, we didnt eat street food. Eventually we braved the street food, and found we didnt get sick any more often! Just brave it when you're ready. Its so cheep, a breadroll with egg should set you back about 6,000vd. A bowl of pho 15,000, and a plate of fried rice about 13,000. As for being sick, keep your fluids up, and hard as it may seem, keep eating. You wont feel like it, but you'll never get better if you dont fuel your body. One time, I didnt get out of bed nor eat for 3 days, and then I tried to get up, but couldnt as I had no substance in my body to give me energy. Apples are good to eat, (a big one costs 10,000), and get a loaf of bread too. Ask for some sweetened condensed milk and heat it up. Pho is always good for a funny-tummy as it's quite salty. Once in a while, splash out on a steak, but make sure it's well-done, just to keep your iron levels up. Most importantly, drink lots and lots of water, every single day. The Vietnamese dont drink tap water either, so there's plenty of water filters that you can fill your drink bottle up from.

Safety
You'll have heard this a hundred times, but you can never be too carefull. I'm a stressed-out, overly careful individual when it comes to my belongings, even back home. On my first day, I left my bunch of flowers down stairs for literally 2minutes whilst I lugged my suitcase up the stairs, and came back down to find that the security guard had stolen them and already sold them..... Lock up everything. Never leave anything valuable in a hotel room, always leave it at the desk. I left my bag unlocked (with my cash in it) once when i went out to breakfast. It was quite a nice hotel, but dont be fooled. I came back to find that 200,000 had gone. Not a lot for a tourist, but a lot for a volunteer. And wrong all the same. Take the time to lock everything, leave things at the desk, and double count your money. I was at the nightmarkets in Hanoi, and i clutch my handbag under my arm like a defensive mother. I thought that no-one could even touch my bag without my knowing it....My handbag got slashed and my mobile phone stolen. Dont take your phone, wallet or camera into any market. Hold your handbag infront of you, not under your arm, and under no circumstance should you wear your backpack on your back! Backpacks are prime targets, I wouldnt bother even bringing one to Vietnam. Not unless its slash-proof and you lock every single zip, and tie it around your waist so it cant get pulled off. Hold your bag infront of you, push away anyone who pushes you, (its ok, thats not so rude in Vietnam), and stay alert.

-taxi drivers. I was told that the Vietnamese are the friendliest people on the planet, and that I didnt have to worry about violence.... I got threatened by a taxi driver with a pair of scissors, 'cause he took us a long way and we refused to pay the rediculous 150,000 fair! I got kicked, had my skirt pulled up, and my boobs pinched by a group of children one evening in the street. They're not cute, they want your money. Do not laugh at them, it only encourages them. Yell "No!" at them, and move away quickly. These little street urchants will nick any unguarded wallets or phones. You wont be able to catch them once they start running.

Girls, after a night out, the odd xe om driver will like to feel up girls' skirts. If you get felt up, hit the driver, (though not hard enough to make the bike fall over!), yell No! and ask him to stop. Get off and dont pay. If you're in the middle of nowhere and theres no one around, as long as its not serious "feeling up" the best thing is to get to your destination, get off the bike, and run into the building. Hanoi is a quiet city at night, and if you get followed, loud screaming does the trick. However, xe om drivers are not all bad, my friend was on a xe om once, and he stopped the motorbike, got off and bought her some red roses, said "I love you ok?", and took her safely home.


The Roads
Don't worry, it wont be long and you'll be able to cross them like a pro. The motorbikes dont want to hit you, 'cause if they do, they're going to get hurt too. Watch out for buses, they slow down for no-one. I got sideswiped by a car, and broke their sidemirror with my side, but they didnt even stop! So, be careful of cars too.

If you're riding a bicycle, the trick is: Act confident, but be nervous and constantly alert on the inside. Ride to the right-hand-side of the road, the slower the vehicle, the closer to the right you should drive. However, feel free to drive the wrong way down one way streets, (so handy!), and drive as slow as you please. you will be honked at constantly, and thats normal. You'll get used to the beeping. A bell is a good things to invest in, though I didnt have one, and I managed fine. However.....I did get knocked of my bicycle by a speeding motorbike, and flew like wonderwoman, (well, more like a flying lump of meat, but anyway) to the ground. My first concern was that someone else would run me over whilst i was on the ground. I was lucky enough to get away with a grazed elbow and a week of painkillers for my back. Wear a helmet. It might not be the law, and you will most definately get laughed at by the Vietnamese, but atleast you'll still have your brains in tact.

Money
I was told that if I was careful with my money, $250 would be plenty to get me through my 7 months with some sparse budget travelling.....2 weeks in Vietnam and all that money was gone. If you want to go out on the weekend, or do any sightseeing, I would budget for min $10 a week, but max about $20 a week to bring from home. However, doing tours is quite cheap. 2 nights all expenses paid in Ha Long Bay should cost about $100. My trip from Hanoi to Hue to Hoi An cost $200, including 2 pairs of pants, and a fair stack of souveniers. I am an absolute stinge and hate spending money, so if you're a little free-er with cash, keep that in mind.

To give you an idea, one night out on the town including dinner costs about 300,000.

Try to pick up some extra tutoring, at first I couldnt find any, and then I had more than I could handle! It's all word-of-mouth. But remember, your school comes first. US$10 per hour is the going rate. They should provide the text books for you, and if its far away, pay for the xe om to get you there and back.

Last few things:
Cocktail: approx $3
Beer: $1
Homebrew street beer (Beer Hoi) : 20cents
Gin and Tonic: $2
Bottle of water (reg): 20cents
Best Bar In Hanoi: Dragonfly Bar: Hang Buom Street.

As for clothing: conservative is always better. I went to Vietnam with nice neat clothes for teaching, and had to go out and buy a suit, stockings and heels. I found that shop owners and people on the street were much friendlier if I wasn't dressed like a backpacker, (but by the same token, no need to wear a suit on the street!). Always have your cleavage covered. When teaching, you will need your shoulders covered, and skirt at least to the knees. But on the street, shorter skirts/shorts and tank tops are acceptable.

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11 years ago, May 5th 2012 No: 7 Msg: #155731  
Some great advice there!

Just a couple of things. Since you are not volunteering, your school will have whiteboards, pens, books, photocopier, internet etc. Language schools should provide all these things for teachers. The school you are going to has been up and running for quite a long time now so you shouldn't need to worry about this.

The going rate for a private lesson these days is about $20 per hour.

Your school should set you up with a Vietnamese bank account into which they will pay your salary. You will get an ATM card from them. You will be able to use your US ATM card in most ATMs to withdraw VND, so long as it isn't from a small local bank. There is a fee for this. It varies from bank to bank. You will need to bring some money with you to tide you over until payday. You can just bring your bank card, or traveller cheques. If you bring USD, they must be perfect notes with no tears. While USD is accepted in some places, outside tourist areas, it is not - and you can end up getting a bad rate of return. Change them to VND when you get into Vietnam (you can't buy VND outside the country)

There are many taxis in Vietnam that rip you off - they may have a rigged meter or drive you around in a circle. There are a few companies that don't. Mai Linh is one (they are green and white). They are in Haiphong. Ask your school. The other teachers will tell you. Reply to this

11 years ago, May 28th 2012 No: 8 Msg: #156860  

Check this out!



Hi!

I am also going to Hai Phong, but will be teaching at the AIE Language Centre and starton the 8/9th of June.

However, as I was looking for teaching jobs in Hai Phong, I was also in contact with Dang Tuan at DTLC (dang tuan learning centre) and had arranged to teach there. But during my research of the place, I came across this website...

http://dtlc.wordpress.com/new3/

I really think you should check it out as the reviews are not promising at all, especially as your a female, the surroundings may not be... favorable.

Like the 'Rat on the road guy' (great blogs btw) Apollo seems to be the best place in Hai Phong, so may be worth contacting them, if your put off by the site and its reviews.

I dont mean to put you off, but thought this was something you should know before you head out.

Either way, I hope to see you around in Hai Phong soon!

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11 years ago, June 11th 2012 No: 9 Msg: #157480  
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Hi Billy!
I am also a teacher.
I lived in Haiphong when i was born.
But i am studying english for applying a job in forein company.
I guess, at moment you are standing in haiphong land hi.
I hope I can help you & Ms CWG in living at new land.
If you need any information about haiphong city, please contact to me via email: <snip>

In response to: Msg #156860
[Edited: 2012 Jun 11 06:29 - Rat on the Road:23681 - Please contact the poster via the personal messaging system. Thanks]
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11 years ago, June 11th 2012 No: 10 Msg: #157498  
Hi Again,

Just wanted to say, I have been here for 4 days now and a few of the other teachers at my school are friends with a few teaching at the DTLC, all of which seem to be having a good time and everything there seems ok. So I hope you are still coming to Hai Phong and I really hope I didnt put you off.

I have just started writing a blog, its only short and not very detailed, just basically using it to show pictures and communicate back home.

http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/Vietnam/Northeast/Hai-Phong/blog-722657.html

Its called Hai Phong - Good morning Vietnam

Hope you all the best.

p.s. uga1881 no email showed up Reply to this

11 years ago, June 12th 2012 No: 11 Msg: #157534  
Hi

The email was removed from the post as it attracts spammers to our site. You can contact the poster directly via the personal messaging system, which sends a message to their email. From there, go for it.

Glad you're enjoying Haiphong.

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