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Travelling Peru, Bolivia, Chile and Antarctica

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I am an adventurous older (59) NZer wanting to do my own thing , in my own way, who is wanting advice about my ever changing plans for Sept - Dec 2010 South American adventures ( and wants to avoid hordes of tourists)
13 years ago, July 3rd 2010 No: 1 Msg: #114708  
I just love this site. All those fantastic travel blogs, and advice from the global community. Amazing. I have been reading everything from here for weeks but now need to get myself sorted as I am hoping ot leave about mid September and return mid Dec. I have an Antarctica kayaking trip booked Nove 26th so I have to make sure I get to Ushuia on time. I had been thinking of doing Peru; backpacking overland as much as possible ; Amazon basin, and Cusco and inca area, and then to La Plaz via Lake T ( which now sounds very touristy ? ) etc and then working my way down Chile to Patagonia. But the more I read the more I wonder whether it would be better to just focus on Southern Chile considering the time I have available and also considering the NZ safe travel website re the dangers of La Plaz and other areas including Peru and Chile border. But are they just being over cautious? And yet there seems so much to see in the Southern Chile and that could easily take two months. mmmmmmmm. Any advice anyone ? Please? Sorry it is a very broad question , but a very important one. I know either will be amazing .....Thanks Rosalind.
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13 years ago, July 3rd 2010 No: 2 Msg: #114711  
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Hi Rosalind,

Welcome to TravelBlog.

I've been to Peru (about 4 years ago) and loved it 😊

For anyone who has current South America info, and is able to answer Rosalind's question - this is the SA page for the site she mentioned. Reply to this

13 years ago, July 3rd 2010 No: 3 Msg: #114768  
Oh Jo you beautie. I have just been to your site and seen what a great adventurer ( and writer and photographer) you are. onderful. And the quotes are just so true. Here is hoping I get some more answers.
Keep on liviing life to the max . Thanks. Rosalind. Reply to this

13 years ago, July 3rd 2010 No: 4 Msg: #114769  
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Thanks 😊

Will be watching out for your entries after mid September!
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13 years ago, July 5th 2010 No: 5 Msg: #114887  
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If you have not been to SA before then I would say Perú should be top of your list. There is a lot more to it than just Cusco/Machu Picchu too. But you seem to have a good amount of time in hand. The border between Perú and Chile is one of the busiest in SA as a lot of commercial activity goes on between the two. I have no idea what problems they think there might be. I have never heard of any aside from the occasional strike closing the border.
Chile has three distinct areas: the north with the driest desert in the world, Atacama, the Central valleys with the wine and fruit growing areas and the South, which includes both the lake district and Patagonia. There are also different weather patterns. But your chosen months are ideal for working your way down the country. I am guessing from your kayaking trip that you would like time to explore Patagonia on both sides of the Andes. Late November and December are a great time as you will be slightly ahead of the January/February high season. If you are thinking of Torres del Paine you will still have to book lodging ahead as the season gets longer every year and the limited offer as it is a National Park. Aside from that, you shouldn't have a problem with lodging.
Only you can decide about visiting the northern desert. It either appeals to you or does not. You can also get there from La Paz to Arica by bus, a very scenic route.
Although petty crime is everywhere (especially bus stations) and you do have to be aware, I would not say Bolivia is unsafe. It is more plagued with strikes which can close roads and put a spanner in your travel plans. The same can happen in Perú. Road safety is a bit of an issue and you should always take the best service offered and keep an eye on your things. Neither of these is much of an issue in Chile.
Take the time to plan your route in Patagonia as you often have to cross between the two countries on a bus route. For instance, if you are not flying to Punta Arenas, you will need to cross into Argentina at Puerto Montt and then back in again further south. These bus journeys can be long and you might choose to fly certain portions.
I am sure you will have a memorable trip whatever you decide to visit.
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13 years ago, July 5th 2010 No: 6 Msg: #114917  
Thank you so much Fiona, that is indeed a wonderfully full and helpful reply. You haev made it so much clearer and realistic. Yes it makes sense to do all of Peru and Bolivia as well - and I love the desert so it all fits in beautifully. The landscape is just amazing and so unreal from a NZers point of view where we have lots of rain - like your Southern Chile. It is especially useful to know about Torres del Paine lodging. I would never have thought of booking ahead. So I will do so.
I hope you don't mind but I do have to more questions that you or others may be able to answer - sorry they are very pragmatic petty ones. 1. Is it right that Travellers cheques are hard to change at banks in Chile adn in other SA contries? 2. I have no probelm in minding my day pack on the bus but what do you have to do to make sure your full back pack is safe on buses - they would have to go out of sight on the bus and could be loaded off by anyone ? Its a universal problem - here in NZ as well.
Yes thanks it will be memorable. Landscape adn people wise. It is a trip I have been saving up for ages.
I hope all is well with you too.
Thanks
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13 years ago, July 6th 2010 No: 7 Msg: #114919  
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Rosalind, you can change traveler's cheques at money exchange houses in Chile. There is no charge but you get a worse rate than for cash. Having said that, I always travel with a couple of hundred tucked away for emergencies. Otherwise it is ATM machines. In some more remote places there might be one and it is bound to be out of order or out of cash. So you would want pesos with you. But you can pay room and meals with a credit card in most places in Chile. Most ATM machines have a per transaction charge for foreign credit cards. I believe Scotiabank, BICE, BancoEstado, Itau and a couple of others do not. I'll try to find out.
On buses in Chile you are given a luggage check for the baggage you put underneath the bus. Keep anything valuable by you on (not under) the seat. On buses in Perú theft is more of an issue. Your bag is safer if stored at the back of the luggage compartment than near the front. Theft of hand luggage is also more common as people who are not passengers seem to get on and off the bus a lot. You have to be more careful. Again, the more expensive the bus in Perú, the safer it will be and the safer your luggage will be. Reply to this

13 years ago, July 6th 2010 No: 8 Msg: #114920  
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I found the bank charge info. Cut and pasted from another website, so thanks to the OP who posted it. Don't think they will mind sharing. It could change though before you come. You will be warned onscreen of any charge before you complete your transaction.:
Yes charges
Santander - 2500 pesos
Banco Edwards - 2500 pesos
Banco de Chile - 2500 pesos
BBVA - 2500 pesos
BCI - 3300 pesos
Corp Banca (related to Banco Condell) PLUS ONLY - 2500 pesos
Banco Condell (part of Corp Banca) PLUS ONLY


No charges
Banco de Desarrollo (related to Scotiabank)
Scotiabank (related to Banco de Dessarolo) no fee reported 19 MAY
Banco Itaú still no fee reported 08 APRIL
Banco Estado CIRRUS ONLY still no fee reported 19 MAY
BICE no fee reported
Banco Security no fee reported 24 MAY Reply to this

13 years ago, July 6th 2010 No: 9 Msg: #114923  
Fiona - you are an absolute gem. Thank you so much for all this important information and for taking the time. I just find it amzing that you, so far away, can ( and want to ) 'talk' to me so instantly . You cannot imagine what it is like for people of my generation who never in their wildest dreams would have believed this would be possible. It especially restores my faith in humanity when people are so willing to share, the internet is full of so many great things. You should have seen what it was like trying to organise my trip to Africa 40 years ago!. Goodness nmow what anoterh 40 years will be like.
All the best Fiona.
Thanks
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13 years ago, July 6th 2010 No: 10 Msg: #114993  
Very jealous of your pending trip.
If you have time to extend then do it - the expense of getting there is considerable but once you are there costs are very reasonable.

You asked for a top five which is tricky to narrow down but here are some thoughts.

1 - Inca Trail - Iconic trip and worth the cost (we did it about 10 years ago so not sure on details now). When you go make the effort to climb wyna picchu (not sure of spelling) as the views of macchu picchu from there are brilliant.

2 - Bolivia (amazing country) is the real south america as far as i am concerned. La Paz is like any other city in the world, keep to the main areas and you should be fine. The best place in Bolivia (for landscape) by far are the salt pans and surrounding areas in Uynuni (they are out of this world)
If you have time go to Potosi which we loved.

3 - I would travel south from Bolivia through Argentina ( I think it is more interesting than northern chile) as there are plenty of good places for quick stop overs en route to the south and patagonia check our blogs (and many others) out for more info:
The Wheels on the Bus Go Round and Round and Round and Round! Mendoza - Salta
Four Seasons In One Day - Mendoza
Bowled Over in Bariloche

4 - We did a great trip to Puerto natales from mid chiler on navimag - brilliant scenery and not the normal method of travel - although I am sure it is becomnig more poular now! Cruising Fjords and Climbing Volcanoes - Puerto Natales to Pucon


5 - One of the best sites I have ever seen is the Perito Morino Glacier in Southern Argentina. Might not be compared to what you will be seeing in Antarctica but a close second and definately worth a trip.


6 - Sorry, couldn't resist one more - Buenos Aires is a brilliant city and after all that travelling worth a stop for some home comforts at incredible value!!!
Juicy Steaks, Sultry Tango and Revolutionaries - Buenos Aires

Sorry for pluggin our blogs

If you have any specific questions more than happy to help out. You'll have a great time in South America and as I said at the beginning if you can afford abit more time it will be the best time you'll ever spend as there is so much more to see!
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13 years ago, July 6th 2010 No: 11 Msg: #115010  
Hey!

I'd have to agree with coming down through Argentina. There seems to be more to see. You could do the Salt flats tour through Bolivia, finishing in San Pedro de Atacama in northern Chile and then cross into Argentina to Salta. Then Mendoza(wine country)Drink Driving in Mendoza (On Bikes), Bariloche(skiing town), El Bolson(hippy town)Hippie hostel in a hippie town, El Chalten(trekking)Amazing trek up to snowy Las Tres, El Calafate (Perito Moreno glacier), into Chile again to do Torres del Paine and then onto Ushuaia!

My list of favourites are pretty much as above. My favourite countries being Argentina and Peru, highlights being.... Inca trail Inca Trail - Super Hikers!, Colca Canyon Colca Canyon - It's F-in deep!, Salt Falts Salt Flats Day 1, Perito Moreno Glacier Perito Moreno Glacier. Actually I could go on forever!

Dont be worried about safety. Take precautions you would take in normal everyday life and you'll fine. Though, if you live in the countryside and leave your front door open it might be better to up your precautions! People are friendly, interested and want to know about you. Keep valuables with you on bus journeys and if anything is ever stolen, so what. Its all material and replaceable. It is the amazing memories that you'll have that are worth more than anything. There aren't that many "tourists" in South America just mainly "travelers", of all different shapes, sizes, race's, religions, young, old, funny and weird! Some of the best memories will be the people you encounter along the way.

Your trip sounds amazing so i'll be adding you to my list so I can follow you. Hopefully your going to blog it and let all us former South American travelers follow your adventures! God...... I wish I was you! Enjoy! Reply to this

13 years ago, July 7th 2010 No: 12 Msg: #115022  
Dear Adventurous,

As you can see your trip brings back great memories for many of us! In South America I have only been to Peru so far. Please don't miss Colca Canyon to watch the Condors fly!!! They were simply amazing. I loved flying over the Nasca lines-- well worth the time.

Tips:

1. Read all you can before you go and find that one thing or one place that speaks to you.... something that is a must see for you.

2. Write to all of us and share your adventures.
3. Wear sunscreen and take some medication for altitude sickness. No reason to miss a day not feeling well.
4. Travel slowly and enjoy all the stars!
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13 years ago, July 7th 2010 No: 13 Msg: #115044  
THANKS Sally and Nick - absolutely brilliant. I have just been goggle eyed over your blogs and I am hooked , oh so hooked. Boy you are travellers extraordinaire. I am now going to have to extend my trip!!. I will spend more time in December in Patagonia after the Antarctica trip which will give me more time for the north. This just gets better and better. I won't blog as I go as you all seem to -do so cleverly but will write it up after I get back. You won't beleive it but in the old days when we travelled the only way to keep people up to date was use carbon copies of the diary we wrote and send them by post - and if we were lucky they would get the letter about a month later - and we kept the photo films till we got back so we had no idea of what they were like until later. ( and film was so expensive!). I love the desert , and your pictures have convinced me to spend a lot more time in that area- and in Argentina. Oh it is all so good
Thanks - you know how to live life!. Reply to this

13 years ago, July 7th 2010 No: 14 Msg: #115046  
HI Wanderly Wagon, thats a great and oh so true Mark Twain quote on your blog. Thank you so much for all your invaluable information. Yiou very convincingly confirm what Sally and Nick said and add your own great perspective and ideas - and of course photos. Thats a lovely observation about travellers , and how they maketh a trip. I have met so many treavellers on this site by reading their blogs, like you, so I can't wait to meet such travellers on my journey . And this is from a person like me that is rather hermitish! You have certainly done an amazing Grand Trip. And it great to see you got to here in NZ and fate got you to Doubrful Sound which is loads better then sadly too touristy Milford Sound. Although the trip to Milford is pretty damn good but nothing like the Andes.
So now you are leading a 'normal' life except it won't be because you have so many memories and experiences that will influence your life and of course you will do lots more trips.
Enjoy, enjoy.
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13 years ago, July 7th 2010 No: 15 Msg: #115047  
A big thanks to the person who sent the message with the four helpful tips... The 'travel slowly and enjoy the stars' resonated beautifully. Yes condors on my list and the Nasca lines. So much to see. so much to learn. I think I ma going to spend gthe rest of my life travdelling !
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