Whatever you do, DON'T GET SICK IN ROMANIA!!


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June 15th 2009
Published: June 16th 2009
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As I moved back to Romania after living abroad for a long time and experiencing very different life-styles, from the conservative and deeply religious Turkish culture to the warm, laid-back South-American one and then the world-renowned ,highly organised and planned out English life-style, I find myself now in the position to pass some informed judgement on the Romanian society. I returned in December 2008 thinking to keep an open mind and expect .... well, not the worst, but just takee into account that things would be ...hm...slightly different. I said to myself that it was totally a matter of personal choice and that if I genuinely wanted to return to Romania, I shouldn't go back with a negative attitude. 'Keep an open mind! ' I kept saying to myself.

I never liked England much because of the weather which is truly demoralising and because I found people cold, self-absorbed, selfish and money-driven. Sorry, it's a 100% personal opinion and am not generalising. I'm aware that a big metropolis like London is a very demanding place to live in, just like any other hectic European capital, so in a way these traits are not justifiable, but somehow understandable. Anyways, now, after having lived in Romania for 6 months, I am utterly disappointed and can't believe how ugly, disgusting, money-grabbing country Romania has become.

Everything and everybody in Romania is corrupted. In government-run, public offices desined to deal with public enquiries and offer various services, the administrative body made sure to put up signs saying ' In this office no hush money is accepted'! In state offices dealing with administrative paperwork- Police, Finance, Passports, etc!!! It simply cracks me up!!! And you know what the funny thing is? I needed a piece of paper stating that between 2004 -2009 I didn't live in Romania, so I had no income from any sort of Romanian institution, a stupid piece of paper that usually takes a week to be issued, as the clerks need to verify and run this info through different financial departments. As my paretns insisted on having it done on that day, I took thier advice and gently pushed a small amount of money in front of the clerk. This is nothing but Bribery /Hush Money and it got me the stupid paper on the spot!!! Of course, on the office window it stated clearly : ' In this office no hush money is accepted!' as in any other office. Where is the morality of this story? Should I be happy that I ducked all the bureaucracy and the stupid paperwork and got the paper right then and there or should I be frustrated that this corruption proliferates from the upper classes to the smallest clerks? The answer is damn easy: a good data system would make any kind of information ready and available for the population at any time of day or night and just a computer search should be able to provide all the information related to the financial status of any Romanian citizen, thus not having to keep us waiting for weeks and months on end or make us pay up unofficial money to get what we need urgently.

England and Romania are not just two different countries in terms of lifestyle and culture, it's actually more like talking about two different planets, it's Venus and Mars, the Sun and the Moon! I would like now to comment on a topic that unfortunately is very familiar to me - health and the health system in Romania. I had the bad luck to be born with a congenital heart disease. Meaning that my heart wasn't getting enough oxygen from birth and a series of health problems sprang from this. So unfortunately I did spend a large part of my life - especially my childhood, in hospitals and seeing doctors.

Last year I had a different problem, which turned out to be an infection in the occipital area of my brain. It was not endocarditis, that means that it didn't actually have anything to do with my heart problem, it had a totally other source of infection and was of unknown nature. The point I'm trying to make is that I was treated by the finest neurological surgeons and consultants from London, was admitted in the hospital twice, each time for 2 weeks and had 2 brain surgeries performed together with heaps of blood tests, MRI, CT scans, so on and so on. I had to stay under close supervision and return for regular check-ups as an outpatient as well. And let me share with you the joys of having a surgery in a London hospital: people do their job professionally and look after you 100%. You don't need to pay any money for people to be nice to you, they are trained to do their job with professionalism and offer the best care possible, and financially they don't expect any gain from the patients, as they are in a job and get paid for their services!!

I am saying this as I went back to Romania and carried on with seeing a cardiologist and seeing a neurologist and each time I went to the doctors in my country I had to go with my pockets loaded with money and pay what I call hush money or bribe just to keep them happy. I'm sure you don't understand what I'm talking about and you're probably at this point frowning, saying to yourselves that this sounds absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!!. Ok, I'll take it step by step. I am medically insured. I pay each month a medical insurance that should cover my appointments, tests, check-ups. But each time I go to see my doctor I leave an envelope with about £20 ( obviously Romanian money) just for their trouble to see me. If I have 3 tests done on one day, I give each nurse the equivalent of £2-4 just so that I'll get the result on the same day, as I travel to Bucharest for all these check-ups and don't want to return the following day to get the results and see the doctor. Because you see, THAT is another stupid, absolutely stupid Romanian bureaucracy snag. In the UK I had many tests done and NEVER had to take home Xrays or EKGs or other medical files, they were all computer-based saved in the medical system and there is a file bearing my name where they keep all the information about my condition, with dates, appointments, tests, everything that ever happened to me from a medical point of view is kept on file. I don't take it home wiht me, WHY would I????? Am I a doctor to know what it says, to read the information, to need it at all??? In my dear country I keep my own test results, there is no record or file on me in any hospital or computer, I keep piling them up at home, God knows why!!!

On my complaining list there is another extremely annoying and frustrating problem: APPOINTMENTS. The government-funded medical system in Romania has NEVER heard of appointments. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT??? In a so-called modern 21st century European society, part of the EU, the state medical system has NO knowledge appointments. During my stay in Romania, from January to June 2009 I had to go to Bucharest to Cardiology on several occasions. Each time I'd call the hospital for an appointment and all they'd give me was a date. ONLY a date. Come on the 7th. Come on the 15th. No time. Do you know how it works? We - my parents and I - had to be there starting 8am to queue up in order to get a list of the tests I was meant to be subjected to and then after having all that done, we would queue up at the doctor's door again. Usually we would be number 10 or 15 in a long waiting list of about 30 patients (on a good day!!), all waitng for the doctor who had no more than 2 hours available to see all of us!!!! Very often the doctor was way too busy with emergencies or checking on inpatients and didn't have time to show up until 4-5pm. Needless to say that this stupid no-appointment system puts a strain on poor patients that are ill and in dire need of medical help, the last thing they need is to wait for what seems like forever for a doctor to show up and give them treatment and hope that tomorrow will be a better day.

I guess that's the downside of having very few good doctors as there is a huge shortage of specialist doctors in Romania. Consequently, the ones looking after inpatients, seeing outpatients and performing surgeries are overworked and overused. Unfortunately a GP has the same incapacity to set appointments. I called my GP several times and apart from the fact that they don't have receptionists or secretaries to assist them, I always got the same answer: ''I'm at the office from 9am'', which meant in fact: Come any time starting 9am. So on arrival, you need to queue up and wait for your turn, as the concept of appointment is foreign in Romania.

So I can honestly say that it's not Brits who like to queue up, it's Romanians. Brits do it civilised, in shops and post offices and where there is no more than a few minutes waiting and common sense dictates what do to. In the UK when you go to your GP, you've got a date and a time, 10 minutes allocated for your problem and everybody respects each other's time. Because it is definitively a matter of respect!! Every time I had an appointment in London, if it said 10.25am on my letter, there was definitively somebody ready to see me at 10.25am. I clearly remember how once my GP tried to contact me 1 day before an appointment as she had to cancel it and rang my phone 3 times and left 3 voice mails just to make sure I was aware that she couldn't see me. She apologised politely for the short notice and asked me courteously to confirm that I had got her voice mail and was going to reschedule. Again, it is a matter of respect. Respect for my time. The same storey happened to me in Romania. I called my GP and asked when I could see her. She said 'You can find me on Friday starting 8am'. I woke up early and drove to the Surgery, entered and was thrilled to see there were no patients before me! At least that's what I thought! I knocked on th door only to realise it was locked and there was nobody in. Another doctor from a near-by office came out and told me 'The doctor's got a problem and can't make it today.' No apologies, no nothing. I thought I was going to go ballistic. THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IN THE UK!!! Luckily I wasn't working and didn't have to take a day off from work. But what if I was??? What about the rest of the people??? Where is the respect for my time, for me getting up early to come with a problem and see the doctor?? It is just unbelievable and makes you sick! sick! I had even bought her flowers and a pack of coffee, which in Romania is quite a common 'gift' to offer your GP or doctor seeing you.

Ok, so let's recap now! Romania has got no appointment system, you just show up and queue up for endless hours till you get your turn. You ALWAYS always need to pay a bribe to the doctor just because they have the courtesy to see you, even if you, obviously pay your taxes, contributions, blah-blah medical insurance.
Thank God I had all my surgeries in Germany and in England, I never had a surgery in Romania!! And you know what I got the doctor that operated me last year???? A 'THANK YOU' card! That's right! A 'THANK YOU ' card. In Romania such a surgery would have cost heaps of money. People die in Romania because they don't have money to pay the doctors to perform surgeries on them. I swear to God I'm not lying, it's the mere truth! Doctors outspokenly ask for the amount of money they wish to charge, illegally, for performing a surgery, depending on the gravity of the patient's situation.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It hurts to be back in Romania. I wanted to keep an open mind, I did. I even toyed with the idea of giving out bribes and did it in a playful, fun way at the beginning, slipping cash in nurses' and doctors' pockets, but it's just soooo embarrassing!!

I'm writing all of this now as today I had an appointment at the Heart Hospital in London. The appointment was for 2.30pm. I was seen at 2.28am. The doctor was the loveliest person on earth who listened to me and reassured me that I was fine and counselled me on the next steps I need to take regarding my health. And what she told me today left me perplexed. Apparently all the patients with cardiac problems that are in the Hospital's records have their files reviewed periodically and this week they're debating whether they could do anything to help my heart get completely fixed and if a new intervention would help me lead a better, healthier life. I have never asked for such a chance, never thought it possible/doable and never considered it a possibility. It's them who're considering my case and my problems and trying to find a better solution for me. Again, the same question: Can you believe it? I can! Because we're talking about a perfect system, with no holes in it, with responsible and caring people for whom sick people are important. It's their job to look after ill patients and they are certainly doing their best. In Romania all they care about is money, and that's the only thing that comes first, second and last.

I've sadly started to see the downside of living in Romania and my following posts will probably show that even more. It's the sad truth, why embellish, turn a blind eye and ignore this cruel reality?


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16th June 2009

sounds just perfect
It sounds just like the Romania i know....and didn't like...what are your next steps??
16th June 2009

should I stay or should I go?
Am in @ database again and hopefully going to teach English 4 Business in Spain, starting September. Passed the phone interview, but won`t know for sure till we get an offical match. Don`t want any other country, it`s either Spain or getting back to the Uk. That`s what I say for now, had ENOUGH of Romania. Sadly!
17th June 2009

Makes me sad
All I can say is that it makes me sad too to see you are getting disheartened and 6 months of living back home made you feel like this. Have a quick read of the note in my profile - you might've seen it already - the one that says - WHY I NEVER HOPE TO LIVE IN ROMANIA AGAIN. same problems, same old, same old..... Unfortunately things will never ... Read moreimprove though because even the young generation in Romania has adopted exactly the same style in terms of bribing, giving money to doctors and so an and they think it's normal, they prefer it and they would rather have it that way! NO FURTHER COMMENTS!
17th June 2009

Be the change you want to see in the world!
All I wanna say after reading ur note is that it confirms the old words that say SOCIETY CORRUPTS THE INDIVIDUAL.If u stay true to ur convictions and ways in which u guide ur conduct you will never reach such a point in which u contribute to spreading a plague such as bribery...Might seem overrated but is true..as long as you do not approve with it... Read more do not do it..do not fall into the trap of the society and just cause others do it u should do it..and blame it on the fact that I HAD TO,CAUSE THE SOCIETY IN WHICH I LIVE FROCED ME...I had been back home and had to deal with bribery too and I had refused to pay ..and trust me somehow ppl have responded to my refusal in the way I expected...meaning I got the papers I needed, got the medical check ups done without emptying my pocket and so on...I was of course outraged by their request but keeping my calm and my polite face I have refused..and guess what?!I did it my way and not theirs! Be the change you want to see in the world!
17th June 2009

Comment to Anka`a opinion
Anka, that`s an ideal society you`re talking about, unfortunately you know the saying `When in Rome, do as Romans do`. That`s the way I saw things as well before returning and when I got back home the cruel reality hit me. You don`t know what`s on Rom tv. News that leave you feel empty and disgusted. People die in hospitals if they don`t put money ... Read morein the doctors`s pocket, THEY ARE LEFT TO DIE. I`m talking about emergency cases, old people going with heart problems and being sent back home because they don`t have money to pay up. Doctors that name the amount up-front, before the surgery. Shamelessly asking the price for the surgery...that is our country,trust me, you gotta play by their rules if you want to survive. We`re far from an ideal world and what I`ve seen in Romania in the last 6 months disgusted me profoundly. There is NO shame, no idea of righteousness, doing the right thing, thinking about the ones in pain and suffering, ill and in need. And it`s not just that, it`s how you are treated, I mentioned appointments, lack of respect for one`s time. Each time I went to Bucharest the entire day was waisted there and always got back home late in the evening. Because of the endless queues and doctors showing up whenever, not according to schedule. How can you fight that?!
17th June 2009

Comment for Gabbs
Thanks Gabs, read your note, indeed, I know exactly what you`re talking about. I did try to keep my calm and deal with the situation, but unfortunately I got back here and saw how it is for doctors and nurses to genuinely care- not for me, as a patient, but for their jobs. It`s about being professional and being genuinely interested in the well-being of the patients, without expecting any sort of financial compensation from them....Romania is a sad, sad country...
17th June 2009

te pup!
DUlceata, imi pare rau ca ai trecut prin asa neplaceri. Sper ca esti bine si ma bucur enorm ca ai avut sansa sa mergi in Londra sai sa te tratezi acolo. te pup si te admir enorm, u are so strong!
17th June 2009

I`m not a dreamer
What I wanted to point out is that ok yeah those things happen and is outrageous and painful to see them happen...but we, the ones that have seen the other side of how things are done, in my oppinion, shouldnt go back home and just JUMP IN THE CIRCUS!! I have had both my grandparents extremely ill and both of them were sent to amazing doctors at ... Read morethe MILITARY HOSPITAL in Bucharest where they have been treated without bribery (I have been with them most of the time as i was living there at the time..talking about last year when i was living in Romania)..My grand dad had a open heart surgery and a by pass was put in...by one of the finest surgeons in our country and what he gave was a hand shake when he recovered...so yeah is sad sad when those things happen to us..i am aware of what Romania has turned into and also disgusted about many things..but there are also ppl that r trying to make things work, and those ppl deserve to be called professionals,moreover as there r so few of them!! And bribery yeah hell yeah it exists...I am not doubting that 80% of teh ppl have t use it to get their things done...at all levels..but what strikes me is that we, the ppl that are not limited by that environemnt and that have experienced lots of things and opened our mind go back there and join the crowds!!How could a person change their ... Read morementality is they r limited by a society that showed them nothing better??This is one thing..but to see this coming from ppl that have see THE BETTER...thats sad Mona, in my humble oppinion...I am not a dreamer and I know the Romanian society wont be changed with my refusal of paying bribery..I got even laughed at and mocked about it..and called as u called me a dreamer that thinks of teh ideal society...but I have taken their mocks and said to myself...well if its me and then there is another that comes and does the same...and probably another...maybe we all change the views of one doctor or adm.clerk..and there goes the change... Things wont happen overnight..they might not even change a lot..they might get worse..but at least I know I have tried..I have not gave in and I havent had to feel ashamed and disrespected when I needed a paper..I have always said that ppl are taught bad habbits..like little children..they can as well get rid of them..is all based on imitation..ppl... Read more pay hush money cause the neighbour did it and it worked for him..why should I do it the right way and get laughed at??!!some of our conationals think..and yeah there r doctors/nurses/clerks etc that shamelessly ask you to pay otherwise they dont see you??How many of you actually wasted your time to go to the police and report that..is a criminal offence did u know it??If he doesnt get prosecuted at least u mess with his image..and maybe ppl will follow u and do the same.. When I had to stand for my Bacalaureate exam,all my colleagues have paid the so called "protocol"..I havent, i refused...did sth happen to me?? Did I pass my exam without repercutions???What do u think??Hell I did ...and I didnt feel not even for a second that anybody has treated me differently..Ppl hope that if they pay for the services they will be better attended...but try to keep in mind that also the ppl you are paying hope....they hope and feed on ur fears and they play on this card... Read more: nobody will spend their precious time to report me,so as long as it works why shouldnt they take bribery??!! I PERFERCTLY KNOW which kind of society I grew up in and what it turned into..trust me I have had to see all that around me on a constant basis..and thats why I have chosen to leave..Maybe is the easiest way out...maybe I am a dreamer looking for that idilic society..but at least as u mentioned MONA, I am in a place where I am treated humanly and respectfully..and each time I go back home I try to preserve my dignity and show my friends that things can be different..they just have to stop following the flock!! Kisses!!
6th January 2010

Too bad this is happening in European country
I come from Kenya, been staying here in Romania for almost two years, my wife's grandma surprised me one day with bundles of 10 Lei tones ( almost 100 notes) - I could not understand at first as I guess is the case to you. She has cancer, was going to hospital for almost one week and while driving her there she asked me to first pass through a bank and get small denominations ( 10 Lei notes) for 1000 Lei. I could not understand why the hell she wanted these small denominations until my wife later explained to me that she need to 'bribe' the nurses - very very unfortunate. I tried to explain that these nurses are paid to do their job, but she explained to me carefully that this is how it is done here in Romania. The Doctor was receiving bigger denominations. Not mentioning the long queues which can be avoided by proper time programming!!!! The system here is bogus. When I was getting married, I was being tossed from one office to another - each contradicting one another. I realized serious incompetence from the side of many government employees. Wasted so much time going to the mayor’s office and one time a colleague of mine told me to do things Romanian way – he told me that I needed to carry chocolate when going to the office and ‘kiss’ the employees there and give them the chocolate plus some African stuff(e.g. Necklace). I didn’t believe that this is the ‘Romanian way’, from where I come from if you try to corrupt government officials then you are likely to get one of the following three treatments: 1. If the employees are the low paid ones – they will solve your problem there and then on the stop with a small bribe as small as 0.3 Euro. 60 % 2. If the employees are well educated and well paid – they will instead call police to arrest you. 20 % 3. Or simply they will take the bribe and solve the issue at their normal pace or simply refuse to take your bribe and simply help you without the bribe. 20 % Taking in mind the above I decided to stand on my ground and do things the right way but I had to scare them by telling them that I was headed to the Ministry of foreign affairs concerning the harassment I was receiving – at that moment they realized that they were not playing with the ‘normal’ African. I must mention that some systems function smoothly like the RAR/ITP – they do nice programming – only that the cashiers unfortunately take their time to smoke while a lot of people are waiting. Anyway Romania is a wonderful country but if not checked then a few years say 100 or 150 – it will not be any better than my failed country. Good Romanians keep up your good work and those who are eager to get rich overnight please get down to your senses and know that what you doing is killing your country and stop it immediately. The saddest part is that after all the pain, time, ‘thank you(s)’ and so forth today the doctor treating grandma said that she has less than one month!!!!! Felt desperate to look for other means and landed here. La mult ani toate lumea. God bless you all
19th July 2010

it's not all like that!
I moved to Romania 10 years ago with my family. While there are cases of coruption it's true, please don't assume it' all like that cos it's not. Neither I nor any of my family have ever given a bribe - if you don't agree with it, why do you do it and propogate an unfair system developed during a previous regime. Two of my children have had surgery here by lovely kind professional doctors and have been nursed by kind, caring though overworked nurses. My daughter is now a doctor and she says that while its true there are a few corrupt doctors, the majority are not. Times have changed and are changing but we as individuals have to do our part too. my foreign friends at the beginning told me if i didn't pay bribes i would get nothing done ... we have never ever given even one small bribe. Yes, being completely honest, there have been a few times when things would have moved faster ... but we as a family took a stand. We work with street people and poor families and know of many, many of them who have had babies, surgery and other treatment without giving any money. Yes Romania has a way to go with this issue ... but if all the people like you (and there are many) who don't believe in bribing just give in to it ... then how will things change? Don't despair ... please ... Britain isn't all as good as your experience - I could give you many examples. Be one of the brave ones ... stand up and be counted ... , make a difference! and most of all ... don't give up hope for a better future, Romania and her people (well, most of them) deserve it ... honest!
21st July 2010

It really depends on personal circumstances...
Hi Katy Thanks for your message. I must say I agree with you to a certain extent. It's true, there is hope for a better Romania with a better system and hopefully no corruption, there are kind and lovely doctors who treat patients equally, regardless if they give them bribe or not. My personal circumstances are sadly very different. I was born with a congenital hear disease and have been in hospitals since a baby. I was told I would die before turning 4 by a competent cardiologist and they basically gave me no chance. Can't really blame that on the doctors,though, back then in 1980 we probably did not have the technology for such a complicated surgery, nor the know-how. The only doctor who offered to help fled the country during Ceusescu regime. My parents applied through Red Cross and other international charities but got no response. Luckily they had good friends living in Germany and they offered to help. The doctors who saw me there, in a big clinc in Dusseldorf told my parents on the spot that there was a complicated procedure, but that my problem was surely fixable. I had to stay there for 6 months and ended up having 2 surgeries and I was all right in the end. Though it was a great amount of money they managed to fund raise the necessary amount and my parents did not pay a dime. They would not have afforded it anyways. Back home in Romania I had to go to regular check-ups to be monitored on how the shunt was adjusting to my body. My parents returned to the country with a brand new, western mentality. So they refused to give any money to the doctor that saw us back home. The outcome: we were given the cold shoulder instead of being congratulated on such a great feat. You are totally right to say that we, the people make the system and if I strongly disagree and disapprove, then I should not play the game by their rules. But you know why I do it? Simply because I am sick of waiting in bloody stupid queues as we don't have a simple appointment system and I just want things done quickly, pain-free and if possible, with a bit of smile on somebody's face. I just pay this money so that I could get out of there as quickly as possible. It is the whole atmosphere, the whole ambient that just scream 'Stay away!' I've lived in England for 2 years and had 2 surgeries here as well. People do their job professionally and treat all patients equally. After dealing with this system, it's really hard to get back home and be treated so much differently. I'm not saying I'm right, in fact I would say that you are right and I agree that if this is what I believe, than this is the way I should act. I just can't be bothered, I prefer to pay for whatever it is customary in my country and get the hell out. This is for little things. Because for anything major I would not be caught dead in a Romanian hospital. You're right, there are problems in the UK as well, I know! But if you compare the 2 systems, I bet you'll give more credit to the English one. I guess circumstances are different, but I have been in hospitals all my life so unfortunately this is experience talking, not hear-say, and in Romanian hospitals it's only been good and positive when I went to private clinics, but that's a totally different story.
24th September 2010

um it nice what you have to say and im sorry you got sick in romania, but not everybosy there is currupted thank you very much lady!!!

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