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General questions about cost, how many days to stay in each place
13 years ago, March 30th 2011 No: 1 Msg: #132331  
My sister and I are planning to travel in Europe this summer and really want to buy our tickets soon! It seems like such a daunting task trying to figure all this out, especially regarding money. We have $5000 each to spend including airfair and a eurorail pass and would like to go for about a month. I'm sure this question is asked all the time but any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! 😊

We don't mind doing Europe on a shoestring but definately want to be comfortable enough to do fun things in each city! Would $80 (60 euros) per day be enough for food/sleeping/fun?

Semi plan: Fly into Rome
(Visit Rome, Florence, and Venice)

Then to Paris
(not sure what other cities in France would be worth going to)

Paris to Amsterdam
Amsterdam to London
London to Dublin

Fly home from Dublin


It looks around $2000 for airfare + $540 for a 3 country Eurorail pass (Italy, France, Benelux) so thats....around $2500 left for the trip.

Just looking for thoughts from experienced Europe travellers on my little plan regarding money and how long to stay in each place....thanks so much!!!!! 😊 Reply to this

13 years ago, March 31st 2011 No: 2 Msg: #132465  
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I think you will be OK. Probably your most expensive item will be lodging, so you need to check out hostels and book well in advance, if you want the cheaper options. Don't know if a Eurorail pass is the cheapest option for your trip, possibly it will be cheaper buying each ticket separately. Again booking well in advance will usually allow substantial savings. Another major item will be local travel in the big cities. For example in London the tube is very expensive, buses are much cheaper, and nicer in my opinion, but of course takes longer.

I think 3 days in each place is a good idea, not to rush it, and add on to that one day for each travel day (usually takes the better time of the day, unless you use overnight train). I would suggest going from Venice over the Alps during day time, it is sooo beautiful. And spend a day or two in for example Innsbruck, on your way to Paris. This is the most beautiful scenery in Europe. A stop over on your way to Paris could be Heidelberg, which is a pretty German town, or Strasbourg, or Geneva. As for fun, it depends on what you mean with fun, I believe clubbing and bars will be out of your reach, as the prices are high, but I don't have much experience myself. Pubs in England and Ireland are cheap, you only pay for your drink, and some will have entertainment too. You probably won't have time for more than what is on your list, you may want to spend a few more days in Paris and London, and maybe more days in Italy, which has so much to offer (Naples with Pompeii, Como and Garda lakes, Milano, Toscana etc etc). Dublin is small, but have great surroundings. Amsterdam, in my opinion doesn't have much to offer (in comparison with the other destinations), but it depends what you want to see/do.

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12 years ago, May 1st 2011 No: 3 Msg: #135206  
I'm assuming you want this to be a happy trip, and since it has to be cheap, pack light, pack light, pack light!

Here's what I would pack for a happy, inexpensive month:

2 pairs of capris or jeans
1 skirt (if you and your sister are church goers on a regular basis or if you intend to enter any of the famous churches, this will be 100% necessary, especially in Italy, where womens' fashions are more conservative, but you can leave it out if you intend to enter no churches)
1 bathing suit (can be left out if you don't intend to go swimming)
2 t-shirts
1 nice blouse (again, can be left out if no churches are in the itenerary)
1 extra pair of shoes
3 pairs of socks
3 pairs of underwear
1 extra bra
1 copy of all prescriptions
1 month's supply of any prescription medications
1 extra pair of contacts/glasses if you use them

Miscilaneous items that you might want to take with you would include a travel clothes line, half a tennis ball (for stopping up bathroom sinks to wash clothes), no-rinse body wash/shampoo caps (usually available at your local medical supply store), a travel journal, pictures of your home town and a map showing its location (to make friends with the locals!), and a list of contacts. You should also keep copies of your passport photo page and all other important documents in a location on your body separate from the actual documents.

Does this $5,000 include your passport? If you don't already have it, you'll spend ~$150 on it. (I'm assuming you and your sister are both over 16.)

Make sure that you have an up-to-date travel guide. Rick Steve's books are perfect for shoe-string travelers because that's what he specializes in. Frommer's is also excellent, but a dryer read and focuses more on the high-price accomidations.

Make sure you have a free e-mail address set up, such as gmail or yahoo, that you can check anywhere and use to keep in touch with family and friends back home.

Don't be surprised if, at a hotel, especially in southern Europe, the clerk asks for your passport. They have to register you with the police and use the nighttime hours to log all visitors at once. If you are uncomfortable with your passport being in the top drawer overnight, ask if you might pick it up later in the evening before you go to bed. They're usually pretty good about accomidating such a request.

I must disagree with greek gal on something. The Tube in London is NOT more expensive than the busses. Rather, you can get an Oyster card or a travel pass. Get one for zones 1-6. If you're only going to be in London for 2-3 days, just buy one daily. It's actually rather cheap to do it that way, and they're good on the buses, the trains within those zones (as far out as Hampton Court Palace), and on the underground, all without paying an extra pence. Definitely print out a travel zone map of London for this part of your journey.

Check out some of the free sights. I don't know about the rest, but in London, this would include the British Museum, the Victoria and Albert Museum, and Hyde Park. Some of the others, such as the Theater Museum, have one free day per month.

Overnight trains and sleeping skills can really help you and your sister to sleep for free. (Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door gives some amusing suggestions for this.)

To save money on food, picnic! It's easy to go into any supermarket and pick out fresh fruit, bread, etc. Or, go into a department store and follow the house wives until you see the salad bar. In Europe, they charge by the plate size, so get the small plate and pile it high to fill up for a smaller amount of money. If nothing else, McDonalds locations are plentiful.

You can find airfare a little cheaper, possibly. Have you made use of sites like Kayak? I found one flight for less than $600/person from St. Louis to London. Flights this cheap are easy to find if you're willing to fly on a non-refundable ticket and be one of the first ones bumped in case of over-booking.

Plan your itenerary carefully. Talk it over with your sister as to which sites you feel that you absolutely MUST see, which ones you'd really like to see but will cut out of the itenerary if you must, and which ones you feel would be nice, but you could take or leave.

Be aware of scams, such as "found" rings, friendship bracelets, other "tourists" asking you for directions, etc. Definitely check out the Graffiti Wall on ricksteves.com for the latest on various scams, cheap travel techniques, and even where to find the best chocolate.

Finally, be aware of what you can and can't take in your carry on. Nothing sharp. You can have 3 bottles, each containing no more than 3 oz of liquid, and all must be kept in a single zip-loc bag. If you choose to lock your carry-on, make sure that you use a TSA approved lock. Check the TSA website for additional information.

I really doubt you'll be able to make it for a month in so many places with so little money, but I do wish you luck. Reply to this

12 years ago, May 2nd 2011 No: 4 Msg: #135237  
Hey girls,

$2500 for a month can be heaps or not enough but it all depends on what you going to be doing along the way and where you sleeping. I guess you'll be staying in hostles which is I guess around $25 a night average (check out hostelworld.com)which will leave you plenty enough for other things.

If you like to do a tour in Paris, London etc check out the New Europe Free Tours. They are fantastic and we have done them in all the cities your going to.

Partying and drinking will soon eat away at your money but yeah you have plenty 😊 Reply to this

12 years ago, June 29th 2011 No: 5 Msg: #139443  
Thanks guys. It still feeling a little overwhelming but I'm trying to do as much research as possible! Its funny how everywhere I go some people say thats not very much money and others say it should be plenty. Guess we'll see......😊 Reply to this

12 years ago, July 5th 2011 No: 6 Msg: #139704  
Hello Summer Star 😊

I go some people say thats not very much money and others say it should be plenty.


Yeah, there is always some conflict between the shoestring travellers and those who object to such ''stinginess''.

Anyway, here is what I suggest for minimising costs.

Take night trains when you can to cut accomodation costs.
Stay in hostels and book them on the internet, choosing the ones with the lowest price.
Use a combination of eating and drinking out and buying food food and alcohol in supermarkets. You could possibly enjoy a six pack of beer on a citidel with a great view or in a park, as much as you would enjoy 6 beers in a bar.
Head for the old parts of the cities and walk more than use public transport. The old part of the cities can generally be walked around, and will have plenty for you to see.
Only visit things like museums and galleries, if they are ones that greatly interest you.

After train and plane fees, you could possibly get by on 20 to 30 Euros each per day, if your needs are fairly simple.

Check out the hostel prices on HostelBookers.com and then just imagine yourself buying what you would need/want for a day anywhere(Dublin even) and add the cost of it onto the hostel price. In many hostels you can cook, and make coffee etc. And, when you cant, you can buy things that done need to be cooked.

Mel

[Edited: 2011 Jul 05 13:25 - Mell:49612 ]
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12 years ago, July 15th 2011 No: 7 Msg: #140286  
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You already have great suggestions above, look at how you can save on hostels as those are likely to be the biggest daily spend.

When I travel I try to have a big breakfast, have a lighter snack/lunch and where possible be able to cook for yourself to save some cash. And if you do want to have drinks, buy these in the (super)market and enjoy them in the park for example.

I might be biased (I live in Amsterdam 😊...BUT I'm glad you put Amsterdam on the list, unlike greekgal says it has soo much to offer!! Of course, everyone has their favourite spots and it entitled to their own opinion.

There are a lot of museums and while I did enjoy the Van Gogh and Anne Frank museum, there are definitely a lot of cheaper/free (not to mention less busy) alternatives to enjoy the city. Plus no need to take public transport, Amsterdam is easy to walk around and that is how you see some of the great sights. Make sure you don't stick to the tourist area (Dam Square, Redlight district, Leidseplein) because while it can be fun, prices are much higher there and you won't see as much of the 'real amsterdam'.

As the country is so small it is also easy to take a bus or train to take you to another Dutch city (Edam, Utrecht, The hague) for an afternoon/day, very easy.
I'd be happy to give you more suggestions if you like. This website AmsterdamTips also has some ideas for free stuff to do, I'd also look into free activities for other cities on your itinerary!
[Edited: 2011 Jul 15 09:03 - Flora:1450 ]
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