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Need a little advice
13 years ago, October 14th 2010 No: 1 Msg: #121060  
Will be looking to travel SEA from March / April 2011, Starting in Hong Kong, going through China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, (Philippines/PNG) * If budget permits. Now i have spoken to the local travel clinic, and got a list as long as my arm with a total of just over $1000 Australian, this was covering

Hep A/B
Thyphoid
Diptheria
Rabies
Jap Enceph
Meningitis
Tetanus
2 mth supply Malarone.

After looking at the shots, cost and doing a bit of reading i have conflicting advice on what i need. do i listen to the clinic and get the recommendations? ( i do tend to think they are trying to make a few bucks out of me with the size of that list) or cut it back?

i was thinking that i should get the following

Hep A/B
Typhoid
Diphtheria
Tetanus Booster
Malarone

will save a few hundred dollars, so what do you think? any experienced travelers to the countries i listed went with less, more, the recommended? any advice welcome

Malarone Reply to this

13 years ago, October 14th 2010 No: 2 Msg: #121072  
Hey Chris, I agree the rabies vaccine may not be worth the price, as those three shots are very pricey here in the US too. You can get treated after a bite as long as it is within 48 hours you should be ok and I dont think it would ever take that long to get to a hospital in SEA unless you were way out in some remote islands.

The japanese encephalitis though rare is fatal 30% of the time and causes brain damage another 30% of the time (anyone correct me if this is wrong), so while it is unlikely you will contract this the odds are not good if you do, I felt this one was worth the price.

Meningitis is only one shot and it is pretty common, in fact it is becoming standard practice here for people getting vaccinated upon entering college (I guess communal living increases the risk). I wouldn't (and didn't) pass this one up.

As far as malaria goes a daily 100mg doxycycline serves as a prophylaxis against all known strains of malaria, and it costs about $0.10 per day. It is a broad spectrum antibiotic. Most other malaria meds only offer protection against certain strains. In addition to preventing malaria the doxy will prevent a host of other infections including leptospiridosis and most mild food poisoning (I traveled RTW for 11 months eating EVERYTHING and only got sick once). I didn't have any side effects but some people experience sun sensitivity.

One last thing dont miss the Philippines I skipped it my first time around Asia and now it is one of my favorite countries!

Have fun,
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13 years ago, October 15th 2010 No: 3 Msg: #121084  
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Hey Chris

Travel Medicine Clinics have a very good way of telling you you need every vax under the sun. Having done all the countries you listed including PNG where you are most likely to get JE of all the destinations...visit your own doctor for his advice. As Dominick suggested, go the doxy - Malarone is stupidly expensive and often has rather unpleasant side effects including night terrors. I took Malarone for a while in PNG and gave it a miss when I went back rather using doxy. Rabies shots are incredibly painful and even if you do get bitten you still need another shot within the 48 hours at the bite site, so not worth the $$ either. Hep A/B is worthwhile, Tet shots last years so you may need a booster or still be covered if youve ever had a tet shot. You're an Aussie, You're tough, You'll be right 😉

Have fun 😊 Reply to this

13 years ago, October 19th 2010 No: 4 Msg: #121291  
Okay first things first. Are you going to be visiting any rural areas, or just mainly urban areas? This is very important.

I'm not sure why you were told to get the meningitis vaccination. The CDC only recommends the vaccine if you are traveling to the meningitis belt in central Africa.

Yes, JE is a risk, but it is extremely extremely rare. Again, the CDC states that Fewer than 40 cases of confirmed JE have been reported in travelers in the last 40 years.

Search around for some sexual health clinics. Hep A/B shots are sometimes subsidised by the government depending on the council area, particularly if you are a gay male (and even if you are not, they have no way of proving that you are not).

The Tetanus/Dipth/Polio booster is reasonably cheap and will last you 10 years, so it's worth it. Typhoid comes in either oral vaccine or injectable vaccine - the latter lasts only 2 years but the oral vaccine is good for 5 years, is slightly more expensive but worth it if you plan to travel again after this trip.

Rabies is easy to avoid - unless you plan to work with animals don't bother with it. Just keep away from those Cujo-looking dogs...

Malaria pills are always a hotly contested topic. I'm spending 10 months in South America/SE Asia and I'm only taking malarones for 3 days in the amazon. But that's because I'm mainly sticking to urban areas and will be wearing long-sleeved shirts/pants etc and putting on plenty of DEET. You need to get a good bug spray with DEET, and wear appropriate protection particularly from dusk til dawn. Mozzies can also give you dengue fever, for which there is no vaccine or cure. Reply to this

13 years ago, October 19th 2010 No: 5 Msg: #121331  
Regarding meningitis:

"About 2,600 people get meningococcal disease each year in the U.S. 10 to 5 percent of these people die, in spite of treatment with antibiotics. Of those who live, another 11to19 percent lose their arms or legs, become deaf, have problems with their nervous systems, become mentally retarded, or suffer seizures or strokes.

Anyone can get meningococcal disease. But it is most common in infants less than one year of age and people with certain medical conditions, such as lack of a spleen. College freshmen who live in dormitories have an increased risk of getting meningococcal disease.

Who should get meningococcal vaccine and when?
Menactra is recommended for all children at their routine preadolescent visit (11 to 12 years of age). For those who have never gotten Menactra previously, a dose is recommended at high school entry."

While the CDC specifically recommends vaccination if you are visiting the "meningitis belt" in Africa, it certainly does not give the impression that it would be overcautious otherwise. In fact the CDC says the following regarding the vaccine:

"Meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MCV4) is routinely recommended for all 11 through 18 year olds. If your child did not get this vaccine at their 11 or 12 year old check-up, make an appointment for him or her to get it now. "



Regarding Japanese Encephalitis:

"Q. What is the mortality rate of Japanese encephalitis?
A. Case-fatality rates range from 0.3% to 60%.

Q. How many cases of Japanese encephalitis occur in the world and the U.S.?
A. Japanese encephalitis is the leading cause of viral encephalitis in Asia with 30-50,000 cases reported annually. Fewer than 1 case/year is reported in U.S. civilians and military personnel traveling to and living in Asia. Rare outbreaks in U.S. territories in Western Pacific have occurred.

Q. How is Japanese encephalitis treated?
A. There is no specific therapy. Intensive supportive therapy is indicated."

That is from the CDC website - while true it is very rare in travelers, it isnt all that rare if up to 50,000 people get it every year. No treatment exists, and you have up to a 60% fatality rate.

While somewhat expensive I felt that these vaccinations were worth the money. True there are plenty of diseases that you cant prevent like Dengue, which I did get in Costa Rica, but I experienced some peace of mind after my immunizations. Although I don't find it absolutely necessary even the rabies vaccine was worth it, I wasnt afraid to go caving or walk past the packs of street dogs you see in almost every third world country. If I got bit I felt confident that I would have enough time to get treatment. Hard to put a price on that.


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13 years ago, November 13th 2010 No: 6 Msg: #122934  
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Can the Japanese encephalitis vaccine and the doxycycline for malaria be obtained in Bangkok for a better price? If so, where exactly? I'm sure there are many places that sell knock-off vaccines of questionable origion. Maybe at a hospital? Reply to this

13 years ago, November 13th 2010 No: 7 Msg: #122938  
You can go to the Red Cross hospital. It's a specialist centre for rabies and snake venom research and has a travel clinic. Look for the snake farm, it's next to it. The Japanese Encephalitis vaccine is 3 injections over a month tho, so you need to have some time to get it. Reply to this

13 years ago, November 14th 2010 No: 8 Msg: #122970  
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Thank you Kris and Kate. Good info! Any idea on how much the injections will cost and is the doxycycline available there as well?
Sorry Ozzie Trekker for highjacking your post, but I was needing the same info. Reply to this

13 years ago, November 14th 2010 No: 9 Msg: #122983  
Can't remember. You pay for each injection and you need three. It's not expensive though.
You can get doxy there too. Reply to this

13 years ago, November 14th 2010 No: 10 Msg: #122989  
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Thanks you guys! Reply to this

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