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Female sex tourists: Do they exist?

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Why would the long standing gate keepers of sex suddenly decide to pay the gate toll? Have you ever met a female sex tourist? Women, have you ever been a sex tourist? If not, would you consider it?
14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 81 Msg: #97656  

ok. so everything you said is your opinion,..


Well, it is not just my opinion. It is biological fact. Different brain chemistries come into play for women and men, when it comes to sexual attraction.

...illusion of empowerment > tell that to them.


Nah! I will leave them to it, without comments from me, unless they happen to join this discussion, or ask for my opinion. 😉

but you should visit one of these places. North Africa. Caribbean. Greece. Bali. Thailand, Sri Lanka - just abt any poor country with pretty beaches. Or talk to other women who have, so you can get a woman's POV.


LOL So, I should do a bit of travelling then?!

Oh ALL of them are real women. Many who have accomplished much, and have more years and wisdom on both of us (erm, judging by your picture 😊.


LOL again! Are you saying that the sex tourists are older and wiser than I am?
Anyway, what I mean about real, is not that the sex tourist are not real, but they are paying people to do what they want, so what they are doing is living a fantasy while on holiday, and not that they are not real.
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14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 82 Msg: #97694  
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...female 'sex tourism' exists in many, and more, of the places mentioned in this thread.

In my opinion the entire paradigm of this discussion is colored by eurocentric 'moral values' and cultural constructions of what it means to be a 'moral man' and a 'moral woman'.

The biological "fact" argument was put to bed years ago (1935) with Margaret Mead's classic "Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies". In which she studies three "primitive" societies in Papua New Guinea to discover to what extent temperamental differences between the sexes were culturally determined rather than innate or "biological".

Mead found a different pattern of male and female behavior in each of the cultures she studied, all different from gender role expectations in the United States at that time. She found among the Arapesh a temperament for both males and females that was gentle, responsive, and cooperative. Among the Mundugumor (now Biwat), both males and females were violent and aggressive, seeking power and position. For the Tchambuli (now Chambri), male and female temperaments were distinct from each other, the woman being dominant, impersonal, and managerial and the male less responsible and more emotionally dependent.



Look at the "natural role" of women in the former GDR. Look at how the "natural role" of women in the US during World War II was completely altered by the state (see: Rosie the Riveter and compare with a Barbie Doll) to get women to work in factories and then re-altered once the men returned home and needed jobs.

Notions of 'romance' and; this one will be the most difficult to comprehend; "LOVE" are cultural constructions. I know, it's a little bit like finding out Santa doesn't exist; don't freak out!

As for the 'morals' of these 'sex tourists'; morals are cultural constructions, and it isn't difficult to trace their origins...

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14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 83 Msg: #97695  
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Mell, we should all travel more than we already have. My suggestion was in the context of whether you wanted to witness the phenomenon first hand. If you couldn't believe there was such a thing as the female sex tourist (a while back, I know), then chances are you haven't been to the places being discussed here. Or just weren't looking. (Many friends tell me they never noticed it in Bali before, but can't help notice it everywhere once they were aware of what was going on. Guess it's what we choose to see.)

Jason, great post. Had lined up a couple of profs in Canada to introduce Mead's ideas in the film. Dropped the plans due to budget reasons. Reply to this

14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 84 Msg: #97696  

The biological "fact" argument was put to bed years ago (1935) with Margaret Mead's classic "Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies". In which she studies three "primitive" societies in Papua New Guinea to discover to what extent temperamental differences between the sexes were culturally determined rather than innate or "biological".


I was talking about brain chemistry, rather than temperament. Temperament is not dependent on gender. Brain chemistry is dependent on hormones produced, the difference in sexual behaviour and other gender specific behaviour is dependent on the quantities of the horomones produced. Nothing has been put to bed(for some reason, that phrase is making me laugh, because it is in a thread about sex :D But, I dont know what is so amusing about it) as far as this is concerned. There is still a lot of research being done on it. Female and male brain chemistry is not dependent on cultural. It is much more basic than that. Culture is base on a mix of learned, circumstantial... as well as what is influenced by brain chemistry.

"LOVE" are cultural constructions.


Not really. And, there are many different forms of love that a human needs to be emotionally balanced.

...don't freak out!


Well, I wont. Cant speak for the other members though. 😉

As for the 'morals' of these 'sex tourists'; morals are cultural constructions, and it isn't difficult to trace their origins...


Umm! This is a whole other post, and a long one at that. I for one am still considering how much a women can be interested in the services of male prostitutes and what these services would include. I am somewhat convinced that the answer to my original questions is 'yes, female sex tourists do exist' when I take into consideration Amits definition of what they are.


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14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 85 Msg: #97697  
OK, now I know what is making me laugh about the 'nothing has been put to bed' comment. I was thinking that is sounds like an answer to the original question, if I avoid looking at the rest of the text in the post. Reply to this

14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 86 Msg: #97698  

Mell, we should all travel more than we already have.


Why?

My suggestion was in the context of whether you wanted to witness the phenomenon first hand. If you couldn't believe there was such a thing as the female sex tourist (a while back, I know), then chances are you haven't been to the places being discussed here.



More like, I didnt pay much attention to who was having sex with who and why. Reply to this

14 years ago, December 28th 2009 No: 87 Msg: #97699  
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Are we then to attribute gender differences to inherent, inborn brain differences? Reply to this

14 years ago, December 29th 2009 No: 88 Msg: #97733  

Are we then to attribute gender differences to inherent, inborn brain differences?


Yes.

I think one reason many are unwilling to look at the differences is because a threat is implied, and this is understandable considering the history of gender politics. Or not even the history. Recently in Saudi Arabia the differences in brain chemistry in the genders was given as a justification to deny Saudi women their human rights. For some reason, the different but equal thing is still too complex a concept for too many. But, until it is addressed more, there wont be real empowerment for women, as without recognising their specific needs they and society will continue to demand that they assimilate to societies that are designed to predominantly cater for mens needs.
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