Why the Pakistan Crisis is so dangerous.
8 Declared Nuclear States, 1 Undeclared (Israel) - and Pakistan has Nuclear Weapons.
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8 Declared Nuclear States and 1 Undeclared
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and why the Pakistan Crisis is so important.
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I was thinking of including Pakistan in my trip but perhaps i should have a re-think:( Reply to this
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In my experience, what happens in Pakistan on a political level has little effect on tourists. This is particularly the case in the northern mountains, which are the main tourist attraction in the country. Up there, the people barely consider themselves Pakistani, and Islamabad seems a long way...
However, since this is based simply on my own 7 weeks experience there, perhaps it's better for eveyone to just use their own judgement. Personally, I would go to Pakistan tomorrow if I could. Reply to this
However, since this is based simply on my own 7 weeks experience there, perhaps it's better for eveyone to just use their own judgement. Personally, I would go to Pakistan tomorrow if I could. Reply to this
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I just left Pakistan about a month ago! Its hard to not recomend the country even with all this instability. I have been there a month and crosses from south to north. The country for the tourist is well divided in Two:
The Northern areas:
Very peaceful, easy to travel and very dificult to happen anything due to the political instability. People of the north are not as politicaly active and religious as the other parts of the country.
South and Center areas (up to Islamabad):
This is the part of the country that are really afected by the political instability. Many regions are not recomended to tourists and most of the public demontrations and killings happens there. So its best avoided during these elections/crisis period. And after all, the north big moutains are much nicer than the desert south.
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The Northern areas:
Very peaceful, easy to travel and very dificult to happen anything due to the political instability. People of the north are not as politicaly active and religious as the other parts of the country.
South and Center areas (up to Islamabad):
This is the part of the country that are really afected by the political instability. Many regions are not recomended to tourists and most of the public demontrations and killings happens there. So its best avoided during these elections/crisis period. And after all, the north big moutains are much nicer than the desert south.
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While I was in Iran a couple of weeks ago, I met some people who had just travelled accross Pakistan to Iran.
They said Pakistan is a pretty rough place to travel.
People in villages were throwing stones at them because they thought they are American.
Others were asking if they are muslim and then getting aggressive because they were not. They seem to take religion very very seriously.
Some Pakistani guards at the border asked them to smuggle a few kilos of marijuana into Iran.
They said in a lot of places they went there were no women on the streets and a lot of men had guns.
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A bit off putting. :( Reply to this
They said Pakistan is a pretty rough place to travel.
People in villages were throwing stones at them because they thought they are American.
Others were asking if they are muslim and then getting aggressive because they were not. They seem to take religion very very seriously.
Some Pakistani guards at the border asked them to smuggle a few kilos of marijuana into Iran.
They said in a lot of places they went there were no women on the streets and a lot of men had guns.
etc
etc
etc
A bit off putting. :( Reply to this
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Would somebody explain to me what is the difference between a declared and an undeclared nuclear state.
Who do they declare to?
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Who do they declare to?
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Undeclared: eg. Israel - everyone knows that they have nukes - but they don't acknowledge this. Reply to this
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Are there no consequences to not acknowledging it?
I though all countries have to allow the UN commission in to check all their nuclear activies. :S
It is amazing that Iran allowed the checks if countries dont have to. Reply to this
I though all countries have to allow the UN commission in to check all their nuclear activies. :S
It is amazing that Iran allowed the checks if countries dont have to. Reply to this
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Iran allowed it because they knew that the Americans would blow them to kingdom come if they didn't.
And the Israeli nuclear program is VERY top secret. I doubt the UN could find anything there if they tried. Reply to this
And the Israeli nuclear program is VERY top secret. I doubt the UN could find anything there if they tried. Reply to this
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I presume the reason the UN want every country to declare their weapons is because some time in the future the UN will ask for all countries to agree to hand over the weapons to rid the world of the threat of nuclear war. If Isreal does not consent to declare exactly what they are holding the date when disarmament can happen will be further away. At least some progress is being made with Iran even if it is not for the right reasons(meaning that they are doing it out of fear, rather than a desire for a world without war).
[Edited: 10:37 - Mell ]
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Yes, everybody knows Israel has nukes, but there is no official information about them made public by the Israeli or any other government.
The public doesn't know:
Where did Israel get them from? Did they build them themselves? Were they given to them by the Americans? Did they buy them from the Russians? Or something else entirely?
How advanced is Israel's nuclear technology? Is it 1945 Hiroshima technology? 1960's H Bomb technology? Is it crude dirty bomb technology? Is it state of the art ICBM technology or what?
These and many other important facts are known by almost nobody outside the upper reaches of the Israeli and US governments. All the other 8 Declared states make all this information public. Reply to this
The public doesn't know:
Where did Israel get them from? Did they build them themselves? Were they given to them by the Americans? Did they buy them from the Russians? Or something else entirely?
How advanced is Israel's nuclear technology? Is it 1945 Hiroshima technology? 1960's H Bomb technology? Is it crude dirty bomb technology? Is it state of the art ICBM technology or what?
These and many other important facts are known by almost nobody outside the upper reaches of the Israeli and US governments. All the other 8 Declared states make all this information public. Reply to this
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Well Pakistan is already tested it in October 1998 and have an official information to the world its is now 10 years search it on the internet .
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Yeah, well, back to reality... not a single backpacker in the entire history of backpacking has been killed by a nuclear bomb. Even in America!
Getting back to the subject, I personally inspected the bags of three Pakistani nationals and NONE of them was carrying a nuclear bomb. I was shocked. There is a remote possibility, based on my own personal experience with Pakistanis, that planning a trip through pakistan won't conclude with the world's best mushroom cloud close-up. BUT, before traveling to Pakistan you should first consider the availability of decent quality beer and red wine. That seems to be the main threat.
Getting back to the subject, I personally inspected the bags of three Pakistani nationals and NONE of them was carrying a nuclear bomb. I was shocked. There is a remote possibility, based on my own personal experience with Pakistanis, that planning a trip through pakistan won't conclude with the world's best mushroom cloud close-up. BUT, before traveling to Pakistan you should first consider the availability of decent quality beer and red wine. That seems to be the main threat.
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Yeah, well, back to reality... not a single backpacker in the entire history of backpacking has been killed by a nuclear bomb. Even in America!
What about the popular cliche that states ''there is a first time for everything.''? :D
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Thanks Mel. I hope there isn't a first time in this case. Nevertheless, I'll keep an eye out for mushroom clouds. ;) Reply to this
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Cheers Peter !
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Be confident everyone there is no issue regarding travelling in Pakistan and as a traveller i know you guyz are missing season which is just started visit Gilgit Baltistan-Lahore -Islamabad-Karachi-Murree and Bhurban enjoy the Newly Built Pearl Contenantel near jhelum and nelum river at Muzzafarabad Azad Kashmir a newly built city after the earthquake but planned it out first cross wagah border to india . Reply to this
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Be confident everyone there is no issue regarding travelling in Pakistan and as a traveller i know you guyz are missing season which is just started visit Gilgit Baltistan-Lahore -Islamabad-Karachi-Murree and Bhurban enjoy the Newly Built Pearl Contenantel near jhelum and nelum river at Muzzafarabad Azad Kashmir a newly built city after the earthquake but planned it out first cross wagah border to india . Reply to this
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Be confident everyone there is no issue ..
I think there are issues and we do have to consider them, to have a safe time in Pakistan. Reply to this
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Bonjour tout le mond :)
I have had great friends coming over here from parts as distant as South Africa, England and Australia. Well they have had the time of their lives. It can be a little rough, fine, but then look west to our neighbor on war and you will find the reason. Being hospitable by nature, we're paying heavily and that all untoward and never-justified. The best season yes, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad in winters and/or Up north or in any other city of Pak in summer spring. You can find great quality wine and beer almost everywhere, local brands at the wine shops and imported ones through bootleggers :P
Whenever you're in town, do try Pakistani beer Murree which i tried a couple of times, is fine. (I myself am being more loyal to French Bordeaux red one ) :) Feel free to write to me in case you guys need any suggestions/ advice. I am always around (Not here, its my first time) Au revoir, bon voyage, stay safe Reply to this
I have had great friends coming over here from parts as distant as South Africa, England and Australia. Well they have had the time of their lives. It can be a little rough, fine, but then look west to our neighbor on war and you will find the reason. Being hospitable by nature, we're paying heavily and that all untoward and never-justified. The best season yes, Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad in winters and/or Up north or in any other city of Pak in summer spring. You can find great quality wine and beer almost everywhere, local brands at the wine shops and imported ones through bootleggers :P
Whenever you're in town, do try Pakistani beer Murree which i tried a couple of times, is fine. (I myself am being more loyal to French Bordeaux red one ) :) Feel free to write to me in case you guys need any suggestions/ advice. I am always around (Not here, its my first time) Au revoir, bon voyage, stay safe Reply to this