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Australia without flying!!

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Trying to get from London to Australia without the use of a plane.
17 years ago, March 12th 2007 No: 1 Msg: #11836  
Trying to keep my carbon footprint to a minimum.

Leaving the UK on 16th May and making my way to Singapore via Rail and Sea and no doubt the odd bus.

The question is how can I make my way to Australia without flying???

Any suggestions welcome.

Also as a small aside I intend to feed my love of football by watching a live game in every country along the way whether it be Premier league or schools!! Reply to this

17 years ago, March 13th 2007 No: 2 Msg: #11855  
Hi Jason and Vicky

We tried to do exactly this in 2005: Reaching OZ overland from Switzerland. We managed to get as far as East Timor but then had to give up and board a plane.

The route to Singapore should be no prob at all. Across Indonesia there are different boat options but waiting times might be long (once a week). So pick up a two month visa if possible. Check http://www.pelni.co.id for ship schedules to get an idea but double check once you are there.

Sooner or later there will be no more public transport. We found that cargo ships are no longer keen on taking passengers. Hence you will need a private yacht. Maybe Bali is a good place to start looking around.

Summertime (roughly November to March) is cyclone season which means that there are fewer (if any) yachts doing this trip.

Good luck.
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17 years ago, March 13th 2007 No: 3 Msg: #11867  
Thanks for that help lovelyplanet, I will take a look at the website.

I have emailed a couple of freight companies to see if they will let you book something in advance but had no joy yet.

I am really keen to do this and if succesful then find someway of continuing on around to new zealand and south america without flying as well, although this may be pushing it too far.

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17 years ago, March 13th 2007 No: 4 Msg: #11877  
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Check out Dal and Ab 's travelblog.

www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Dal-and-Ab/

They caught a cargo ship from Malaysia to Australia and also from Sydney to New Zealand. It was more expensive than flying but they seemed to have had a great time on the ship.

Good luck
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17 years ago, March 16th 2007 No: 5 Msg: #11947  
Thanks for that travellingmum it was very useful and I have emailed the same guy they used.

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17 years ago, March 20th 2007 No: 6 Msg: #12066  
Hi Jason and Vicky,
I arrived in Australia yesterday after travelling from England without flying - it's definitely possible :-) I used the same company as Dal and Ab to get from Singapore to Brisbane by cargo/freighter ship - there's a guy called Hamish who is very helpful and should be able to sort you out. Unfortunately that boat is about to change it's route, but Hamish will know if another is going to replace it. Not flying is a great way to travel if you have the time! Anyway, if you're interested, take a look at my blog: www.travelblog.org/bloggers/andy-horsman and send me a message if you want.
Cheers and happy travels!
Andy Reply to this

17 years ago, March 23rd 2007 No: 7 Msg: #12185  
Wow, Dal & Ab's trip sounds fanatastic! Good luck to Jason & Vicky, & to Andy for attempting/completing such a unique adventure... does anyone know of freighter ships between LA & Australia or Singapore? i'd love to do this on my way home even if it is just one leg of our trip.

Cheers!

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17 years ago, March 23rd 2007 No: 8 Msg: #12196  
Not used them myself, but The Cruise People Ltd (members.aol.com/cruiseaz/home.htm) seem to have a lot of info about cruises (inc freighters) worldwide. Also www.geocities.com/freighterman.geo/mainmenu.html might be useful. Reply to this

17 years ago, April 4th 2007 No: 9 Msg: #12502  
I am currently in NZ and would love to be able to get to S America without flying, but so far the shipping companies I've tried have not had any ships doing that route. Anyone had experience going that direction? Will be having a look at all the posts above. Good luck to Jason & Vicky! Reply to this

17 years ago, April 5th 2007 No: 10 Msg: #12515  
Thanks for the good luck messages everyone.

Pretty sure which route we are taking now. Going to head from Singapore to Brisbane, takes 9 days.

I would love to continue the no flying theme so if you find anything to South America Anna then please let us know. It will then be land up through S.America and try and find a boat back to the UK from somewhere in North America. Reply to this

17 years ago, April 8th 2007 No: 11 Msg: #12596  
dude, try this site http://7knots.com/ It's sweet, as long as you get along with the crew. eeeyaaaahh. Reply to this

17 years ago, April 21st 2007 No: 12 Msg: #13188  
dont know if this is too late but try to get hold of a copy of peter moore's book 'the wrong way home' where he follows the old hippy overland trail from london to sydney Reply to this

17 years ago, April 24th 2007 No: 13 Msg: #13262  
Just bought tickets for the MV Theodor Storm from Singapore to Brisbane. Really looking forward to it and of course, it means we'll have made it from Edinburgh to Brisbane without taking a flight. The only drawback is the cost - approximately 5 times the price of a flight from Singapore to Australia.
When we started out we loosely decided that it might be nice to see how far we could go without a flight - well, by the time you reach Vietnam, it's out of the question to even consider taking a flight - regardless of the price differential. It becomes a mission.
I'm not sure though, how much I believe that the environment benefits by opting for the overland and sea option over the alternative environmental impact of a few flights - you should see some of the fumes coming out of the buses in Cambodia!
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16 years ago, May 4th 2007 No: 14 Msg: #13591  
OMG, just popped in (sadly, from my workdesk!) and had one of those great feelings - that our journey has helped/touched other people. This on the back of the news that 3 separate strangers (people we've never met, but have seen us on travelblog) have volunteered at the orphanage in Thailand.

For those of you interested, the second ship we were on was on a circular route: Tauronga NZ, Mexico, LA, Sydney. The NZ-Mexico crossing was approx 14 days. Thinking about a South to North overland adventure next, better save some money first.

Keep the dream alive guys,

Daren

P.S. I'm starting to believe in Karma
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16 years ago, June 7th 2007 No: 15 Msg: #14976  
Arrived in Brisbane yesterday. The boat is costlier, but definitely worth it...

Enjoyed it so much we booked the next leg by ship as well - Adelaide to Auckland. Reply to this

16 years ago, June 7th 2007 No: 16 Msg: #14985  
Well we have failed miserably I am ashamed to say.

The problem was we had a bit of a nightmare in St Petersburg (we really struggled with the language and food especially) and only being on the road 2 weeks paniced and legged it on a plane from Moscow to Beijing. A litle bit of regret as we really enjoyed our 1 day in Moscow but you live and learn and if we every get to a place a not enjoy it again we will move quickly on to the next availalbe place in that country.

We still plan to use the ferry from Singapore to Brisbane and keep to the ground whereever possible after that.

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16 years ago, August 15th 2007 No: 17 Msg: #17990  
Try reading "The Wrong Way Home" by Peter Moore. (I think that's his name. It's a good read on the same topic.
T xo Reply to this

15 years ago, June 17th 2008 No: 18 Msg: #38928  
Hey everyone!!

Thanks for all the interesting comments and blogs!

I'm hoping to also get to australia without flying. does anyone have budget estimates? or how long it takes? (i guess you could take as long as you like in theory...)

Is it safe for a woman to do this trip alone?

How much can you "go with the flow" during this trip? or is it advisable to really look into things and plan & book in advance rather than see how you go once you get there?

Thanks!

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15 years ago, June 17th 2008 No: 19 Msg: #38990  
Hi Karo,

I definitely reckon it's best to go with the flow - you never know who you'll meet along the way, the stories that you hear that'll inspire you to take a different route to the one originally planned, or even the little hiccups that happen along the way that make travelling so interesting. I took 10 months to get to Australia from the UK without flying, taking a very roundabout route, particularly through China which allowed me to meet new friends and to see places that I'd never even heard about before leaving home - the travellers' network is far more uptodate than any guidebook! Obviously I could have taken a lot longer or done it more quickly. The only thing that I booked beforehand was the boat from the UK to Norway and then eventually the boat from Singapore to Brisbane (but that was because it's a monthly sailing).

As far as travelling as a lone woman, it's a bit difficult for me to say but I did meet a couple of lone women travellers on similar routes and they didn't encounter any problems. They seemed to exercise the usual sensible precautions that you would do anywhere and didn't get any hassle.

Budget-wise, I probably spent about £10,000 but that involved a few splurges in nice hotels and the odd treat. The rest of the time was spent in 3rd class travel and hostels.

Anyway, hopefully that's given you some ideas. Feel free to drop me a line if you've got any more questions.

Cheers and happy travels,

Andy Reply to this

15 years ago, June 18th 2008 No: 20 Msg: #39029  
Seeing as this question is being asked more and more, here are the sites I found while I was researching.

I was recently quoted approx AU$7000 Sydney to UK via Suez but decided to go to Hong Kong instead and then overland by train for about the same cost.

General
http://www.geocities.com/freighterman.geo/
http://www.freighterworld.com/
http://www.freighter-cruises.com/
http://www.freighter-cruises.com/06/03/-news.html
http://www.freightertravel.co.nz/ Hamish Jamieson
http://www.lowcarbontravel.com/2008/01/freight-way-to-travel.html
http://thetravelersnotebook.com/how-to/how-to-travel-by-cargo-ship/
http://www.50plus.com/Travel/BrowseAllArticles/index.cfm?documentID=17885

UK
http://www.strandtravel.co.uk/
http://members.aol.com/CruiseAZ/home.htm
http://www.cruisepeople.co.uk/
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