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Female travelers in India

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How can we avoid hassle?
15 years ago, July 23rd 2008 No: 21 Msg: #42790  
Hello Paulvonline 😊

I think you might be right. I think what we have to do is learn what is an effective way to ask for help. Maybe it is just a matter of moving towards Indian women when we are having trouble with a man and telling the women what is happening? We are not used to doing that. Maybe the women in India think we are so strong and modern that we dont need any help.

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15 years ago, July 23rd 2008 No: 22 Msg: #42793  
Better ask help to men, Women may bit shy to help in some troubled situation. I am from Kerala in south India, I am very pleased to give Informations which I know to those who like to visit Kerala Reply to this

15 years ago, July 23rd 2008 No: 23 Msg: #42845  
Thank you Paulvonline 😊 Reply to this

15 years ago, July 26th 2008 No: 24 Msg: #43150  
Thanks Paulvonline and Rohit. It's good to get some positive feedback and to hear the opinion of Indian men. I agree about women being shy - I don't think a woman is going to make a big fuss and start shouting at guy she doesn't know.

I would be interested to know from the Indian guys who are posting here - what do you think is the best way to ask for help? I've heard some people say start making as much noise as possible and screaming etc. - I can't help but think things could get blown out of proportion if I did this though. Do you have any suggestions?

Maybe the answer is to stop being so stingy! Next time I go to India I will save up more money and actually buy first class tickets - I travelled one time on first class on a train to Shimla and it was excellent, I sat near a family who were so friendly it was like a breath of fresh air! Reply to this

15 years ago, July 26th 2008 No: 25 Msg: #43157  
I have been told that travelling first class greatly reduces the incidents of sexual harassment. It also reduces the chances of being robbed. Apparently well to do Indians who travel first class watch out for each other and will watch out for you too.

I wouldnt start screaming and shouting at men when they are harassing. I would say in a dignified way ''remove your hand sir'' and if he doesnt then remove the offending hand yourself. What I mean is, since it happens so frequently there is no point in wasting your energy shouting. If there are no hands involved in the harassing I would say a lazy ''no thank you'' every time. In the case of ones like the one climbing on top of you I would as soon as I can get free of him stand up and say in the same dignified way ''how dare you'. get out now''. If there is a friendly Indian person there I would also say to him/her ''that man is trying to touch my body''. Reply to this

15 years ago, July 27th 2008 No: 26 Msg: #43209  
In India railway is the cheapest mode of transport, Always travel in AC coaches, its not that expensive,else during day time you can take a ticket in 2nd class sleeper coaches with out reserving the seat, which is very cheap, never ever travel in general coaches, which is only 1 or 2 in number and that is very croweded also(which will kill your travel comfort) For shortest travel choose bus that is not crowded, Hiring a taxi is also a best option for short travel(charges are per Kilo Meter, check the charges with them).For some trains "Thalkal Reservation"(Emergency reservation) is available, which you can book on the day of travel if you find the seats are filled(it is less in number) Reply to this

15 years ago, July 27th 2008 No: 27 Msg: #43218  
Does anyone know how safe or not the bangalore-Hampi overnight train might be for women?
also, how would a lesbian couple come across in india. not, that we plan to flaunt it, but what type of reaction could we expected should it be discovered? Reply to this

15 years ago, July 27th 2008 No: 28 Msg: #43237  
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I went Hampi to Bangalore overnight. I travelled 3A/C which was fine - I was on my own, and I had my bunk next to an Indian family who insisted on sharing their dinner with me! It was great. Probably there'll be a lot of other travellers on your train as it's a popular route, and you'll probably find yourself put in a carriage with other travellers which always makes you feel better. Also - not to sound class-ist or anything, but it's just true: Bangalore is more wealthy than most other parts of India, so the types of people (men, I'm presuming is in your mind) you'll be likely to encounter on the train will probably be more respectful of you as western women.

About the lesbian issue - I wouldn't really know, but I wouldn't think there's much chance of it being discovered. For a start, in India, men hang out with men, and women with women, so nothing looks strange about that. Also most guest house rooms will have two beds placed right next to each other anyway, sometimes it's one big bed with two single mattresses on it. some places I went, there was just a double bed, and guest house owners thought it reasonable that myself, and whichever travel companion I was with at the time, would just share it.

My speculation is also that if you were a male gay couple, that would be more likely to attract judgement/hostility whatever; homosexuality, like all sexuality in India, is very repressed.
Western heterosexual couples who travel to India would follow the etiquette of not displaying affection in public in the same way that they would at home, because it's just not the done thing in India, and it'll be the same for you - if you're not 'flaunting it' (your words not mine!), then there's little chance people would ever realise. You will of course get lots of questions eg from rickshaw drivers and lots of other people you'll meet about whether or not you have boyfriends or are married - these questions are par for the course. I guess you'll decide how to answer them with each person! I always said I was married or was on my way to meet my boyfriend, (though I wasn't!), only because it's often the safest and best response to make.

to be honest: I wouldn't worry. Just have a good time! 😊 Reply to this

15 years ago, August 26th 2008 No: 29 Msg: #46813  
From the following it looks like it is not only Western women who have a lot to put up with from men in India.

Every morning, Gitanjali Chaudhry, 17, walks to her high school through a labyrinth of temples and vegetable markets. Along with her books, she carries an Indian version of Mace -- a bag of chili powder and a pouch of safety pins -- to fend off the often boorish men who loiter in the narrow passageways



From In India, New Opportunities for Women Draw Anger and Abuse From Men
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15 years ago, August 27th 2008 No: 30 Msg: #46930  
I also received a message from an indian woman about my post recently and she stated that we can be sure that it's not just western women that have this problem. She said it's just part of public transport and it's best to find a female only compartment. It's funny you mention that Mel because she also said that pins can come in handy! So I guess I just feel sorry for local Indian women now because at least I have the choice about not travelling there! Reply to this

15 years ago, August 27th 2008 No: 31 Msg: #46935  
LOL

Somehow, I am not sure I could bring myself to jab somebody with a pin. :D

Yeah, I used to travel in the female only compartments when I was on the trains in India. The harassment happens in more places than the public transport but the women only train carriage and the family room in restaruants are welcome havens. 😊
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15 years ago, August 28th 2008 No: 32 Msg: #47069  
I deleted one post. Please keep posts on topic. Reply to this

15 years ago, September 14th 2008 No: 33 Msg: #48703  
B Posts: 9
As an Indian Male it feels very strange to read the above posts and to know how we have been collectively branded. However, let me assure you all that India is one of the safest destinations that you coud ever get to visit. At most places you would find men minding their own businesses. And still if you want to be twice sure of being safe and not be harassed.. the best thing to do is make bookings at graded hotels, cost anywhere between Rs 2500 to 5000 depending on the city of visit.(60$ to 100$).Also avoid dark streets, revealing clothes (e.g. minis) especially in the smaller towns or villages , (in fact in most of the metro cities people wouldnt give you a second look just for being skimpily dressed), casual talk to unknown men or women, taking food from felllow travellers(families included). There are some parts in India where one has to be more careful, like the Northern states UP, Bihar, Jharkhand etc. But this applies in equal measure to men as well (no discrimination here). Reply to this

15 years ago, September 22nd 2008 No: 34 Msg: #49424  
Hello Manish 😊

If we had do pay 60 to 100 dollars for accomodation every night for a six month trip around India, that would create yet another problem. Then add on expensive tours to get us around safely and India would probably be the most expensive place to backpack in the world. And if it was like that then no backpackers would go because all this would ruin the backpacking experience for them. Many of them feel it is important to travel independently.

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15 years ago, October 1st 2008 No: 35 Msg: #50527  
Hello 'womantraveller' & the rest,

well....well....well.....
a lot of words have already been spoken here....
But, I as an Indian, and as a man, and moreso...as an Indian Man, have to say something here....

The reason or the reasons, why this thread exists, is because of your complete lack of understanding of this mystical land - India.

Trust me, it is a lot more than elephants, magic, taj mahal, goa, etc etc.

& to appreciate India, you must understand India.

& if you do so, you shall know how to travel (read carry yourself) in India.

& I really cannot blame you, coz it really isnt your fault....
even after being born and and seen 25 years of life here....
India still amazes me....confuses me......excites me.....

What you guys really need is some kind of an 'Induction' to India, before you seek to travel the country - alone or with family/friends.....especially alone.

Anyways, you may / may not choose to travel again to India,
The choice as they say is yours....
But, who stands to lose !

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15 years ago, October 2nd 2008 No: 36 Msg: #50548  
B Posts: 9
@Mell , fair enough , then maybe I should start by asking , what is the average budget and time that you are looking forward to spending in India? Reply to this

15 years ago, October 2nd 2008 No: 37 Msg: #50550  
Moderator Comment

Guaravoo7jain and Manish , please stay on topic. This is a thread about women travellers in India. We need to be able to discuss these issues because we face more challanges than male travellers do.

You can help people with what to see in India and with their budgets on other threads that were created for the purpose.

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15 years ago, October 12th 2008 No: 38 Msg: #51469  
manishk - whilst I appreciate your suggestion about staying in nicer hotels, I have to say that I agree with Mell that for most of us, these kind of prices are just not realistic for a holiday. The problem is one of trying to find a happy medium between experiencing the real India (and thus not staying tucked away in some luxury hotel room with room service!) but at the same time avoiding the potential hassle that comes with slightly more affordable options. It seems that some Indian men who have read my post may have taken offence but let me just clear up that I'm definitely not saying that all Indian men are like this, or trying to make any generalisations. As I said before I have met very nice, kind and polite Indian men. Nevertheless it is true that I had this experience in India, that I'm not the only one, and let me re-state that I wasn't wearing "revealing clothes" such as "minis", nor was I taking food from strangers or casually taking to unknown men. Here-in lies the issue - despite taking all these precautions, being a lot less outgoing and friendly, wearing modest clothing and generally keeping myself to myself, I still got continuously harassed - and I really don't think this particularly kind of harrassment applies in equal measure to men and women!

I do agree though that we need more information about the subtelties of Indian culture to avoid these situations. Maybe there are social signals and cues that we give off as western women that we are completely unaware of (I'm not talking about what we would view as openly flirting or anything like that). GAURAV007JAIN you state that it is because of our lack of understanding (which I think is true), so maybe you could give your opinion on the sorts of things that cause this. It would be interesting to hear more about what sorts of things we can do to avoid these misunderstandings (hopefully without the stereotypes of western women wearing mini skirts!)


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15 years ago, October 13th 2008 No: 39 Msg: #51533  
I empathize with the women who had bad experience while traveling in India. The fault lies with the Indian culture, where the sexual feelings suppressed, and the globalization makes things worst, which shrinks the world in to a single community to some extend, still Indians stick to the old traditions(pretend to be so), but some thing different in their mind(Say hypocrites). First we indian men should learn how to behave to women, learn respect others.The indian men supposed to live in traditional way but have access to the boundless media, really a bad situation Reply to this

15 years ago, October 13th 2008 No: 40 Msg: #51538  
I think you might be right Verghis. The media probably has a lot to do with it. It has the same effect on us in the West with giving us unrealistic expectations. Reply to this

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