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Date: 28th November 2010
i just think it sounds just nasty
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
i just think it sounds just nasty
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
Date: 7th October 2010
Book: Tuanku Rao
Read this book "Tuanku Rao" it's about Batak history and culture: http://naulibasa-magz.com/index.php/web/news/index/2/1875396217 ***Baca link ini tentang buku "Tuanku Rao" bila anda ingin mengetahui atau mendalami sejarah Batak: http://naulibasa-magz.com/index.php/web/news/index/2/1875396217 Buku bisa dibeli di toko-toko buku terdekat- Gunung Agung, Gramedia dsb.***
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Book: Tuanku Rao
Read this book "Tuanku Rao" it's about Batak history and culture: http://naulibasa-magz.com/index.php/web/news/index/2/1875396217 ***Baca link ini tentang buku "Tuanku Rao" bila anda ingin mengetahui atau mendalami sejarah Batak: http://naulibasa-magz.com/index.php/web/news/index/2/1875396217 Buku bisa dibeli di toko-toko buku terdekat- Gunung Agung, Gramedia dsb.***
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 8th March 2010
interested
hey thanks for all the commentary...humorous and enlightening, thinking of going from Singapore..what do you suggest as the least painful way to go also where to stay at the lake....Mr.Moons I hear is lovely..don't want ants in my room either so if you could advise would be muchly appreciated..are you a photographer by any chance?? cordially, Martin
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
interested
hey thanks for all the commentary...humorous and enlightening, thinking of going from Singapore..what do you suggest as the least painful way to go also where to stay at the lake....Mr.Moons I hear is lovely..don't want ants in my room either so if you could advise would be muchly appreciated..are you a photographer by any chance?? cordially, Martin
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
Date: 22nd January 2010
Batak, Burma, Cannibalisme etc.
Mauliate, Boru Nauli and others. I agree that the quality of this arrogant and racist blog is about as low as it gets - but some of the comments are interesting. Allen, quoting some obscure "wiki-answers" as if they contained the ultimate truth is not a good example of scholarship. The overwhelming evidence does point to the fact that some (but not all) of the Batak ethnic groups did indeed practice ritual anthropophagy. That the Batak originate from the Karen has actually been proposed by Batak themselves, notably Karo Batak who thought that the word 'Karo' somehow resembled 'Karen'. Of course this is pure folk etymology. The theory that the Batak and other so called "proto-Malay" people originate from mainland Southeast Asia has been postulated in the 1920ies or 1930ies by the Austrian anthropologist Heine-Gelderen, and is still very popular in Indonesia. Modern archaeological and linguistic studies have shown that the Austronesian entered Indonesia from the Philippines and not from mainland SEA and there is no good reason why the Batak should be an exception. The story, hinted at by Boru Na Uli, that the missionaries Lyman and Munson were eaten by the Batak in 1834 was created by the German missionaries, notably Nommensen. There is absolutely no proof that they were eaten and the early reports point only mention that they were killed. Finding any reliable information on the Internet on Batak history is, unfortunately, difficult.
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Batak, Burma, Cannibalisme etc.
Mauliate, Boru Nauli and others. I agree that the quality of this arrogant and racist blog is about as low as it gets - but some of the comments are interesting. Allen, quoting some obscure "wiki-answers" as if they contained the ultimate truth is not a good example of scholarship. The overwhelming evidence does point to the fact that some (but not all) of the Batak ethnic groups did indeed practice ritual anthropophagy. That the Batak originate from the Karen has actually been proposed by Batak themselves, notably Karo Batak who thought that the word 'Karo' somehow resembled 'Karen'. Of course this is pure folk etymology. The theory that the Batak and other so called "proto-Malay" people originate from mainland Southeast Asia has been postulated in the 1920ies or 1930ies by the Austrian anthropologist Heine-Gelderen, and is still very popular in Indonesia. Modern archaeological and linguistic studies have shown that the Austronesian entered Indonesia from the Philippines and not from mainland SEA and there is no good reason why the Batak should be an exception. The story, hinted at by Boru Na Uli, that the missionaries Lyman and Munson were eaten by the Batak in 1834 was created by the German missionaries, notably Nommensen. There is absolutely no proof that they were eaten and the early reports point only mention that they were killed. Finding any reliable information on the Internet on Batak history is, unfortunately, difficult.
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Date: 14th December 2009
Mina, your style of argument is poor. Your scholarship, lacking. Even you believe the myth that Bataks were cannibals. They were not. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Were_the_Batak_people_cannibals). As for Hans, leave him alone. He is only a simple traveler who cannot be asked to question some words, especially words printed on paper. A blogger, by nature, wants to spew forth his thoughts. Asking him to think for himself, is another matter.
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Mina, your style of argument is poor. Your scholarship, lacking. Even you believe the myth that Bataks were cannibals. They were not. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Were_the_Batak_people_cannibals). As for Hans, leave him alone. He is only a simple traveler who cannot be asked to question some words, especially words printed on paper. A blogger, by nature, wants to spew forth his thoughts. Asking him to think for himself, is another matter.
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Date: 23rd November 2009
eindelijk gevonden
ik wist niet dat je hand klausman heette. Vrije vertaling naar het duits zeker... Groeten de buurvrouw
From Blog: Out on the lava bed
eindelijk gevonden
ik wist niet dat je hand klausman heette. Vrije vertaling naar het duits zeker... Groeten de buurvrouw
From Blog: Out on the lava bed
Date: 29th October 2009
abolish cannibalism
The idea of human eating human should not be something we should be experience now, if God says thou shall not kill and the only palatable food is to eat fellow human,i think ts an act of pure insanity such a person should expose to proper psychoactive evaluation.It is purely satanic yinka from nigeria
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
abolish cannibalism
The idea of human eating human should not be something we should be experience now, if God says thou shall not kill and the only palatable food is to eat fellow human,i think ts an act of pure insanity such a person should expose to proper psychoactive evaluation.It is purely satanic yinka from nigeria
From Blog: Canibalism, a deterent to outsiders
Date: 15th October 2009
Ah, you are in S. America now. I will be travelling from Sao Paulo, Brazil, to Uruguay and back to Sao Paulo along the coast for a couple of weeks from 14th November. If you are in the area maybe we can meet for a coffee or something. :)
From Blog: A female metamorphoses
Ah, you are in S. America now. I will be travelling from Sao Paulo, Brazil, to Uruguay and back to Sao Paulo along the coast for a couple of weeks from 14th November. If you are in the area maybe we can meet for a coffee or something. :)
From Blog: A female metamorphoses
Date: 29th September 2009
Superman Hans
Thanks Hans for bringing your travel stories to life with your well written describtions of your journeys, the photographs and especially your great drawings. You have certainly packed a lot into your travels. Well done!
From Blog: A few last words on this trip
Superman Hans
Thanks Hans for bringing your travel stories to life with your well written describtions of your journeys, the photographs and especially your great drawings. You have certainly packed a lot into your travels. Well done!
From Blog: A few last words on this trip
Date: 29th September 2009
I am looking forward to your next trip. I enjoy reading your perspective, so interesting and makes me feel I'm right there.
From Blog: A few last words on this trip
I am looking forward to your next trip. I enjoy reading your perspective, so interesting and makes me feel I'm right there.
From Blog: A few last words on this trip
Date: 10th August 2009
Batks coming from Burma is a myth
Perhaps I was a little too nasty with my last reply, I'm sorry, but being Dutch I'm sure your use to it. So. anyways, I believe I have found the origin for the myth that the Bataks of Indonesia came from Thailand and Burma (Myanmar). I will quote from the book The House in Southeast Asia by Stephen Sparkes and Signe Howell of the Nordic Association for S>E> Asian Studies and the Nordic Institute of Asian Studies on page 115, speaking about Batak house construction "With some imagination the house resembles a ship on poles, which was seen by some romantic ethnologists as evidence of the MYTH that the Bataks have sailed to Sumatra from an area which is now called Burma" So you see there is no evidence for your claims that the Bataks came from the Karen people of Thailand and Burma. Don't take my word for it, ask any Batak, no where have I ever heard any say there is any true to your myth Mina P.S. here is the sacred web link http://books.google.com/books?id=HZASayzAtgEC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=origins+of+the+batak+of+sumatra&source=bl&ots=s6kITJtvVB&sig=vJ-mOqEiDTDJS8X8JSl16rQwOU8&hl=en&ei=mXmASumsLuKMtgeXtMjvAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Batks coming from Burma is a myth
Perhaps I was a little too nasty with my last reply, I'm sorry, but being Dutch I'm sure your use to it. So. anyways, I believe I have found the origin for the myth that the Bataks of Indonesia came from Thailand and Burma (Myanmar). I will quote from the book The House in Southeast Asia by Stephen Sparkes and Signe Howell of the Nordic Association for S>E> Asian Studies and the Nordic Institute of Asian Studies on page 115, speaking about Batak house construction "With some imagination the house resembles a ship on poles, which was seen by some romantic ethnologists as evidence of the MYTH that the Bataks have sailed to Sumatra from an area which is now called Burma" So you see there is no evidence for your claims that the Bataks came from the Karen people of Thailand and Burma. Don't take my word for it, ask any Batak, no where have I ever heard any say there is any true to your myth Mina P.S. here is the sacred web link http://books.google.com/books?id=HZASayzAtgEC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=origins+of+the+batak+of+sumatra&source=bl&ots=s6kITJtvVB&sig=vJ-mOqEiDTDJS8X8JSl16rQwOU8&hl=en&ei=mXmASumsLuKMtgeXtMjvAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=&f=false
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Date: 7th August 2009
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 7th August 2009
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 7th August 2009
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 7th August 2009
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 7th August 2009
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
where do you get your information ?
Please, show me anywhere that it is written the Bataks of Sumatra originated from the people of Thailand, do you know Indonesia and Thailand are two separate countries that don't even border on another ? You would be better off to claim they came from Malaysia as it would sound more credible BTW, you seem to have some kind of hatred in your heart for the Bataks and Lake Toba. I'm sure most Bataks would'nt want to leave there as it is so beautiful and peaceful. The Bataks I have met living in other countries all wish to return there.as do their non-Batak spouses. I myself hope to return and live there one day and I'm Greek.
From Blog: The dreams of a Batak lady
Date: 7th August 2009
WHAT ?
Where do you get your "facts" about the Batak people in this unflattering piece of journalism ? The Batak people tracing their origins to the Karen people of Siam (Thailand) and Burma (Myanmar), this is the first time I have heard of this, are you able to prove this ? Please do The Bataks were cannibals at one time, who would eat convicted criminals, not just anyone. I suppose they thought of the first German Christian missionaries as criminals. I think it would be more factual to state that Sumatra is a Christian stronghold in a Muslim country. There are some Muslim Bataks peoples but most are Christians who are very serious about their faith. Some are Roman Catholic, some Orthodox, but most are Protestants, they even have their own Batak national church which most belong to, the Huria Kristen Batak Protestant (HKBP), which translates into the Batak Christian Protestant Church, is the largest Protestant denomination in Indonesia, with a reported membership of almost three million faithful. I can hardly believe the Bataks used human shit as a fertilizer for their rice paddies, is that how they grow food in your country ? There are many very beautiful Batak women ( my wife being one) and they are highly prized as wives by many of the ethnic groups in Indonesia as well as Europeans since marriage traditions are a intricate part of their culture and they are known for being faithful ,loving and family oriented spouses Please, my friend, do better research about people and places before writing any more pieces of sensational fiction for your travel blog
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
WHAT ?
Where do you get your "facts" about the Batak people in this unflattering piece of journalism ? The Batak people tracing their origins to the Karen people of Siam (Thailand) and Burma (Myanmar), this is the first time I have heard of this, are you able to prove this ? Please do The Bataks were cannibals at one time, who would eat convicted criminals, not just anyone. I suppose they thought of the first German Christian missionaries as criminals. I think it would be more factual to state that Sumatra is a Christian stronghold in a Muslim country. There are some Muslim Bataks peoples but most are Christians who are very serious about their faith. Some are Roman Catholic, some Orthodox, but most are Protestants, they even have their own Batak national church which most belong to, the Huria Kristen Batak Protestant (HKBP), which translates into the Batak Christian Protestant Church, is the largest Protestant denomination in Indonesia, with a reported membership of almost three million faithful. I can hardly believe the Bataks used human shit as a fertilizer for their rice paddies, is that how they grow food in your country ? There are many very beautiful Batak women ( my wife being one) and they are highly prized as wives by many of the ethnic groups in Indonesia as well as Europeans since marriage traditions are a intricate part of their culture and they are known for being faithful ,loving and family oriented spouses Please, my friend, do better research about people and places before writing any more pieces of sensational fiction for your travel blog
From Blog: Inside Batak territory
Date: 22nd July 2009
hello from demika
Hi Han, I keep reading your south east asian trip until it done.. don't understand all of it as english !!!! interesitng , advanture... looking forward to read your next trip .. Demika
From Blog: A stray cat on a bicycle
hello from demika
Hi Han, I keep reading your south east asian trip until it done.. don't understand all of it as english !!!! interesitng , advanture... looking forward to read your next trip .. Demika
From Blog: A stray cat on a bicycle
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Organizing your blogs
I enjoyed reading your blogs about your visit to Thailand. When I went to the beginning of your blogs I quickly discovered that they were out of sequence time wise. It was like reading a book in random order. I like reading from the beginning to the end, timewise, although an occasional fashback is ok. How about editing the dates of your blogs so that the date reflects the date of what you are blogging about. For example, this blog took place on October 19, 1990, but the date you wrote it and used was December 24, 2009. It's easy to edit your published blogs...just see my question and the answer provided under the Newest Blogs tab. I asked the question because I am about to upload blogs the begin in 1949, and I may not enter them all in sequential order. I wanted to be able to insert blogs in the proper order. Thanks.
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